Wenger Referendum IV

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

The announcement would have been made this week irregardless

But again, Wenger went over the boards head going directly to Kroenke

Do you think he'd have done that had Kroenke come and watched us getting spanked?

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Yeah, I do. I don't imagine Kroenke is at all bothered about what happens on the pitch. He's demonstrated this lack of interest in all his sporting ventures. He's into property, balance sheets and leverage. Wenger's the master accountant who makes the goose lay eggs. Kroenke's not turfing that in because a few thousand people are pissed off looking in from the outside. Was he in the least bit bothered about the vitriol coming out of St Louis? If you don't get sacked on the spot after being hammered for the second year running in the CL then why is an FA Cup loss significant? Tickets already sold, TV rights secured, merchandise banked - what does the result have to do with anything?

http://i.imgur.com/OcP6ece.jpg

lmao

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Originally Posted by Özim

Best way would be to have a emptyish stadium every match of course, but that just isn't going to happen realistically, so the only other method is to make your feelings clear

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Neither are realistic and as MO and I have said it's pretty much impossible to support the team and barrack the manager in the ground at the same time.
If people do the latter then the toxic atmosphere will help no-one and actually give Wenger more of an excuse for our failings.

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Originally Posted by GP

http://i.imgur.com/OcP6ece.jpg

lmao

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Next we'll hear is the 25 year, quarter century talk. It's coming.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Yeah, I do. I don't imagine Kroenke is at all bothered about what happens on the pitch. He's demonstrated this lack of interest in all his sporting ventures. He's into property, balance sheets and leverage. Wenger's the master accountant who makes the goose lay eggs. Kroenke's not turfing that in because a few thousand people are pissed off looking in from the outside. Was he in the least bit bothered about the vitriol coming out of St Louis? If you don't get sacked on the spot after being hammered for the second year running in the CL then why is an FA Cup loss significant? Tickets already sold, TV rights secured, merchandise banked - what does the result have to do with anything?

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Because Kroenke cares about money, and seeing us getting spanked would make him fearful of losing it especially as people would be even less likely to renew season tickets and the list of people on the waiting list is more exhaustive than is made out.
Defeat in the FA cup would have forced him into concessions, I agree there was no way Wenger would have gone.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Neither are realistic and as MO and I have said it's pretty much impossible to support the team and barrack the manager in the ground at the same time.
If people do the latter then the toxic atmosphere will help no-one and actually give Wenger more of an excuse for our failings.

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So you buy into Wenger's bullshit that a few polite (massively over polite) banners held up in a stadium, or a plane flying overhead, make it impossible to support the team? Didn't a plane fly over Wembley for the semis? And didn't the fans all cheer the team to a victory? Seems to me there's easily obtainable evidence and, in fact, common sense that suggests your assertion is entirely unfounded.

The first game of the coming season is the very best venue for large protests. To show the owner and the board the fans aren't amused by their latest sabotage. To show our hapless manager that another shit show like last year's opener (which cost us a CL spot btw) won't be tolerated. To most likely force Wenger's hand in the last days of the transfer window if we assume he's dithered until that point. Lots of important reasons to protest loudly at the first game. Show these bastards their coup is not without cost.

If Wenger demands his lovey atmosphere that he envelops his players in extends to the whole place, fans included, then he'd best work on loving us a bit more, rather than blaming us for his fuck ups.

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Originally Posted by Niall Quinn

Slightly off track here, but L.A. has been a graveyard for NFL franchises. For some reason, it just doesn't work there.

Also, Wenger and Kroenke can fuck off.

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Is that because they've had bad teams or are they just not interested in the NFL? But it goes back to my point about Kroenke being a numbers and real estate guy. His decision to move to LA was probably based on how deep the city's pockets were instead of deep running American Football history. I guess after seeing the low attendance for the Rams, he figured he really needs a successful winning team to put bums on seats.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Because Kroenke cares about money, and seeing us getting spanked would make him fearful of losing it especially as people would be even less likely to renew season tickets and the list of people on the waiting list is more exhaustive than is made out.
Defeat in the FA cup would have forced him into concessions, I agree there was no way Wenger would have gone.

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Cosmetic concessions perhaps. But how do you see a director of football working at Arsenal? Wenger has already decreed how that's going to pan out. Would you want to be the bloke that's hired for a role Lord Wenger proclaims doesn't exist? Cup win certainly took some heat away, no doubt. But I think we're a long way from the sort of temperatures Kroenke is prepared to endure. St Louis didn't make him sweat and that was pretty vicious. These guys develop sure things on paper and then put plans into action and go to bank. They don't give a fuck who is affected in the process. 2019/20 is the year to watch. I'll predict it now. Wenger will be getting his new contract and the Euro mobsters will have made giant strides to locking in the "elite" teams in their money league. That's why Kroenke won't take a billion and walk and that's why he wants Wenger here doing what Wenger does. Football is the theatre that distracts from the real business.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

So you buy into Wenger's bullshit that a few polite (massively over polite) banners held up in a stadium, or a plane flying overhead, make it impossible to support the team?

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No, I didn't say that. But you've been talking about creating a really toxic atmosphere in the ground. You may intend that to only target the manager and not the players but I don't see how that is possible.

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Originally Posted by Letters

No, I didn't say that. But you've been talking about creating a really toxic atmosphere in the ground. You may intend that to only target the manager and not the players but I don't see how that is possible.

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At the start of the game you lay into Wenger big time. And Kroenke. During the game you give the team 100% support. At the end of the game, regardless of the result, you lay into Wenger and Kroenke. And you do it every game, regardless of the result. That's how I'd do it anyway. If it was even worth turning up. But it isn't. Far too expensive for the shit Wenger serves up.

In reality, nothing will happen. This will all just drift on.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Cosmetic concessions perhaps. But how do you see a director of football working at Arsenal? Wenger has already decreed how that's going to pan out. Would you want to be the bloke that's hired for a role Lord Wenger proclaims doesn't exist? Cup win certainly took some heat away, no doubt. But I think we're a long way from the sort of temperatures Kroenke is prepared to endure. St Louis didn't make him sweat and that was pretty vicious. These guys develop sure things on paper and then put plans into action and go to bank. They don't give a fuck who is affected in the process. 2019/20 is the year to watch. I'll predict it now. Wenger will be getting his new contract and the Euro mobsters will have made giant strides to locking in the "elite" teams in their money league. That's why Kroenke won't take a billion and walk and that's why he wants Wenger here doing what Wenger does. Football is the theatre that distracts from the real business.

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I don't know precisely how the NFL is funded, but the decision to move from St Louis was based on poor attendances which presumably they felt would be rectified by taking the franchise back to Los Angeles.
Arsenal's profits are two fold, one is gate receipts and the other is tv money.
I don't think Kroenke will like even a short term loss when you consider what he is paying out for, in terms of building a new stadium in Compton.
If there is significantly less up take on season tickets and the results are shit, this idea that Kroenke is Wengers mate will soon dissolve. Kroenkes mates include George Washington and Benjamin Franklin.
People who don't want this man at the club should stay away, for all this talk about it not necessarily being his last contract he could still find himself sacked.

That could work but it's the 100% support during the game which I'm not so sure has been happening.
I've not been in the ground this year so maybe it's better than I imagine but at times I think the frustrations have boiled over during the game and that helps no-one.
It's like that time when someone...was it Eboue? Anyway, he was having a shocker and people started booing him during the game. During it! While he was on the pitch. It just made him more nervy, more prone to mistakes.
I don't like that kind of thing.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

I don't know precisely how the NFL is funded, but the decision to move from St Louis was based on poor attendances which presumably they felt would be rectified by taking the franchise back to Los Angeles.
Arsenal's profits are two fold, one is gate receipts and the other is tv money.
I don't think Kroenke will like even a short term loss when you consider what he is paying out for, in terms of building a new stadium in Compton.
If there is significantly less up take on season tickets and the results are shit, this idea that Kroenke is Wengers mate will soon dissolve. Kroenkes mates include George Washington and Benjamin Franklin.
People who don't want this man at the club should stay away, for all this talk about it not necessarily being his last contract he could still find himself sacked.

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Stan and Ali have this all stitched up. Club just landed in position 6 on the global rich list, valued at 1.7bill. Share price is untouchable. Man Utd just hit the top spot - 3bill. And that's during the carnage of the early post-Ferguson period. These clubs are moving away from what happens of the pitch and who turns up at the stadium. Some of the VR technologies being trialled now will make it possible for millions of fans to attend the match without leaving their armchairs. The old football is dead, the new corporate-ball is thriving and that's the only reason a failing manager like Wenger can hang on to his job. What does this 2 year contract really tell you about Arsenal? What does it tell you about our priorities? When you think of modern Arsenal, think of Amazon.com. They don't even need to make profits to dominate the marketplace and, in turn, set the course for that market. Kroenke's in the right place at the right time and that won't be by accident. He's won this and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it. That's the sad truth of it. I think if fans want to stay away because they have lost interest in something that has had 90% of the passion sucked out of it then that's understandable. I also think if fans, in their frustration, want to pay to get into the stadium and scream abuse at these rapists then that's fine and understandable too. But none of it will make any difference in the end. The field is ripe, the locust swarm is here. When they have devoured everything they will leave and then I guess somebody will need to sow some grass and paint a few lines and start again.

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Originally Posted by Letters

That could work but it's the 100% support during the game which I'm not so sure has been happening.
I've not been in the ground this year so maybe it's better than I imagine but at times I think the frustrations have boiled over during the game and that helps no-one.
It's like that time when someone...was it Eboue? Anyway, he was having a shocker and people started booing him during the game. During it! While he was on the pitch. It just made him more nervy, more prone to mistakes.
I don't like that kind of thing.

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With the greatest of respect I doubt anyone gives a fuck what you like.

In Spain and Italy, or even Turkey where Eboue went that kind of thing is commonplace

That kind of scrutiny is the flip side of earning an obscene salary, in many ways off the back of gate receipts

If you can't hack it, find something else to do. That's the crucible where you burn away the wastrels and leave behind only the best.

If you're a player don't whinge about it, either improve your showing or move on.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Stan and Ali have this all stitched up. Club just landed in position 6 on the global rich list, valued at 1.7bill. Share price is untouchable. Man Utd just hit the top spot - 3bill. And that's during the carnage of the early post-Ferguson period. These clubs are moving away from what happens of the pitch and who turns up at the stadium. Some of the VR technologies being trialled now will make it possible for millions of fans to attend the match without leaving their armchairs. The old football is dead, the new corporate-ball is thriving and that's the only reason a failing manager like Wenger can hang on to his job. What does this 2 year contract really tell you about Arsenal? What does it tell you about our priorities? When you think of modern Arsenal, think of Amazon.com. They don't even need to make profits to dominate the marketplace and, in turn, set the course for that market. Kroenke's in the right place at the right time and that won't be by accident. He's won this and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it. That's the sad truth of it. I think if fans want to stay away because they have lost interest in something that has had 90% of the passion sucked out of it then that's understandable. I also think if fans, in their frustration, want to pay to get into the stadium and scream abuse at these rapists then that's fine and understandable too. But none of it will make any difference in the end. The field is ripe, the locust swarm is here. When they have devoured everything they will leave and then I guess somebody will need to sow some grass and paint a few lines and start again.

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So if a club loses a significant share of its revenue it won't affect the share value?

That's what I'm reading. Whether we like Wenger or not, the share value has been based on high takers for season tickets and Wengers previously proven ability to get us in the top four. Remove this and you are removing a supoorting column.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

So if a club loses a significant share of its revenue it won't affect the share value?

That's what I'm reading. Whether we like Wenger or not, the share value has been based on high takers for season tickets and Wengers previously proven ability to get us in the top four. Remove this and you are removing a supoorting column.

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But they only have to last a few short years and then gate receipts will be pocket money. Or else they'll be able to purge the middle and working classes entirely and turn the stadium event into Hollywood. I agree, it would be somewhat damaging right now if somehow the fans all opted to stay away. But the very nature of the fanbase today makes that unachievable. It was tried. A one off, meaningless game against Sunderland. Estimates were 10-20K stayed away and even then the club banked the cash. This would have to be mass failure to renew season tickets. I assume that would be big news if it was happening. Way I see it, there's still a waiting list. Difference between fans and the owners is we're short term and they are long term. They'll have contingencies a mile deep. We have demands for a past that's not coming back. It's not hard to figure who will win this. During the deepest global recession in recorded history Football INC is growing at an unprecedented and obscene rate. Wait until you see what the next TV deal yields, when the elites lock themselves in and everyone else out. Stan will have projections based on every piece of insider information and cocktail party handshake. He just has to steer through these last couple of seasons, then nothing can touch him.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

With the greatest of respect I doubt anyone gives a fuck what you like.

In Spain and Italy, or even Turkey where Eboue went that kind of thing is commonplace

That kind of scrutiny is the flip side of earning an obscene salary, in many ways off the back of gate receipts

If you can't hack it, find something else to do. That's the crucible where you burn away the wastrels and leave behind only the best.

If you're a player don't whinge about it, either improve your showing or move on.

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Whether I like it or not isn't the issue. The issue is do we want Arsenal to win games? We are Arsenal fans, yes? So I guess we do.
So is doing something during the game to a player who is already struggling and which visibly makes a player play even worse helpful? Is it aligned with our hope that we win games?
It's a pretty simple logic. And yes, I agree it's part and parcel of earning £100k a week, players will get more scrutiny. But that doesn't make it a helpful thing to do.

You really do approach football as if it is a committee meeting. Perhaps if a player is not pulling his weight we could hit him with a strongly worded leafletting campaign?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

You really do approach football as if it is a committee meeting. Perhaps if a player is not pulling his weight we could hit him with a strongly worded leafletting campaign?

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It wasn't about him not pulling his weight, he was just having a poor game and making silly mistakes. Booing the poor sod so much he visibly makes even more mistakes isn't particularly helpful.

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Originally Posted by Letters

It wasn't about him not pulling his weight, he was just having a poor game and making silly mistakes. Booing the poor sod so much he visibly makes even more mistakes isn't particularly helpful.

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If he's having a rubbish game anyway who cares, if he's not good enough he shouldn't even be playing. I'm not about the start feeling sorry for a player who earns thousands a week because a few people are booing him.

If he doesn't like it he can up his game or leave. If you're going to go in an industry where you in the spotlight then you need to be prepared to face some difficult situations, if you can't maybe just stick to playing pub league stuff.

This is the kinda stuff Wenger would come out with, our players have been wrapped up in cotton wool for too long.

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Originally Posted by Letters

It wasn't about him not pulling his weight, he was just having a poor game and making silly mistakes. Booing the poor sod so much he visibly makes even more mistakes isn't particularly helpful.

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What's one of the key issues with our players? Mental toughness

Like I say if they can't handle it they should go, they are so cosseted by their manager and by agents.

They perhaps need to be taken down a peg or two. A bit of humiliation should be character building

"Renewing" is just an anagram of "Wenger In"

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Originally Posted by AFC Leveller

"Renewing" is just an anagram of "Wenger In"

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:lol: brilliant!

Letters, booing Eboue did help.

Wenger took him off because he was such an embarrassment (although he probably saw it that it was our fault for booing him) and subsequently we didn't see anymore of his pathetic antics when he next played 6 weeks or so later.

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Originally Posted by AFC Leveller

"Renewing" is just an anagram of "Wenger In"

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:lol: Very good.

Well we know even if the board was split on Wenger they have got on board with this car crash

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...values-i-love-

Well that's that,copy and paste for another two years.Then they say Stan the board and Wenger all want to challenge for the big prize's,never heard so much b----x in all my days,pure lip service.

Same old stuff. Two more years to go until he signs his next contract and he can say the same thing all over again.

Arsene you've signed a two year contract with the club how are you feeling about it?

Pretty fucking good


In the end was it an easy or difficult decision?

10 million a year ??? What do you fucking think?. Stupid fucking question.


What's your message to the fans after signing this deal

Enjoy me you slags. Your grandkids will be drawing pensions before you get rid of me. I'm Mumra the ever fucking living


What's the owner said about his ambitions

Well he felt it would be ambitious to consider moving the club to the stockbroker belt in Surrey, but according to premier league rules you can't do that.


When you look back on the 2016/2017 season as a whole how do you view it?

Couldn't give a fuck. Stop living in the past....ask me more about my contract


In terms of playing squad, what changes do you expect this season?

I expect any player who wants to earn anywhere near as much as me to fuck off


Are you looking at any particular area of the team

Yeah might treat myself to another technically gifted but physically weak central midfielder


What other changes do you expect, on the non playing side for example

Get fucked

https://mobile.twitter.com/Sporf/sta...803393/video/1

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Arsene you've signed a two year contract with the club how are you feeling about it?

Pretty fucking good


In the end was it an easy or difficult decision?

10 million a year ??? What do you fucking think?. Stupid fucking question.


What's your message to the fans after signing this deal

Enjoy me you slags. Your grandkids will be drawing pensions before you get rid of me. I'm fucking Mumra the ever living


What's the owner said about his ambitions

Well he was ambitious about moving the club to the stockbroker belt in Surrey, but according to premier league rules you can't do that.


When you look back on the 2016/2017 season as a whole how do you view it?

Couldn't give a fuck. Stop living in the past....ask me more about my contract


In terms of playing squad, what changes do you expect this season?

I expect any player who wants to earn anywhere near as much as me to fuck off


Are you looking at any particular area of the team

Yeah might treat myself to another technically gifted but physically weak central midfielder


What other changes do you expect, on the non playing side for example

Get fucked

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You ran it through Google Translate? Ingenious.

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Arsène, you and the club have signed a new two-year contract. It's a big moment, how are you feeling about it?

I’m happy and excited. Happy because I can work where I love to be. As well because this club cherishes the values I love. I’m excited because I believe that our end of season is a big springboard to go for more. We have created a dynamic that is very positive and we want to build on that and transfer that positive end of season [form] to the new season.

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Does he have any intelligence at all?

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In the end, was it an easy decision or a difficult decision?

For me it’s always easy on a loving affair because I identify myself so much with the club. When you can be where you love to be, that’s easy. It’s difficult because you want to respond to the demands of all the people who love this club. This is of course a job that demands 100 per cent commitment and you want to be at that level to make sure you can make everyone happy.

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Guess he means Kroenke, because he sure as hell doesn't give a damn about the fans.

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What's your message to the fans after signing up for two more years?

The message to the fans is in aid of the club. Let’s be together to support our players, to support the club and all give our absolute best to be at the level that we want to be. We can move up to the next level, I’m convinced of that, by having faith in the way we want to play football and by supporting the players we have already. Of course we’ll try to strengthen our squad to be stronger next season, but we want to be faithful to the way we want to play the game. We want to support this way [of playing] all together.

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By the level we want to be, I guess he means the level he wants to be i.e 4th place or if he doesnt get in the CL then whatever he has done that season, because the fans don't want to be at that level.

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What's the owner said to you about our ambitions?
They are of course unlimited, our ambitions. We live in a very competitive world where you need the support of the owner as well. He’s highly ambitious and supportive as well so, on that front, we are all united with exactly the same targets.

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Kroenke highly ambitious? Financially perhaps, certainly not on the sporting side.

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When you look back at the 2016/17 season, how do you view it as a whole?

As a whole, I think the first part of the season was very positive. We went 20 games unbeaten, including the Champions League, and we finished top of the group in the Champions League. After that, the turning point was maybe the Everton and Manchester City games where we dropped our level away from home a little bit. We were unbeaten away from home for a long, long time. The negative side and other turning points were certainly the Bayern Munich games where we had very positive results at half-time but at the end of the game we were very frustrated. [It was] under very special circumstances but it deeply affected the confidence of the team. I believe the outside uncertainty over my situation had an impact on the team as well, and after that I think we regrouped. We could have been divided but we have shown great resilience and were united to bounce back very strongly. We finished the season in a very convincing way. We won 10 of our last 11 games and that is absolutely difficult. We played against all the difficult opponents, so we finished the season in a very strong way with a very strong dynamic. That’s why I told you that we want to transfer that into the new season.

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Comical, this guy has career in stand up if he ever gives up football management (which he won't), 20 games unbeaten (a meaningless stat) :lol: top our CL group :lol: :lol: positive result against Bayern at half time :lol: :lol: :lol: finishing the season very strongly (seems to be the only thing he really remembers every season) oh and to top it off absolving the players and taking a dig at outside influences (i.e. the fans)...good one Mr Wenger :lol:

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In terms of the playing squad, what changes do you expect this summer?

First of all, we have a very heavy squad at the moment so maybe we might lose some players. We want to keep the strength we have and build on that. We will work very hard to find the additions of top, top quality. I believe that our squad is very strong and we will only look for top-class people who can strengthen our team now. The basis is there so we need the additions who will make a real difference.

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Additions of top, top quality, he wouldn't know quality if it bit him in the arse, as for building on the strength we have, ot sure what that is, maybe 5 yard passing because we don't seem to be able to shoot, defend or have any bottle when times are tough.


All in all a comical interview.

Pathetic owner.

Pathetic board.

Pathetic manager.

Pathetic club from top to bottom.

No PL title or a first CL for the next few years.

Pathetic fuck all cups that mean nothing now.

Arsenal do not want to win anywhere near as much as Chelsea, Man Utd or Man City and that will not change whilst Wenger is in charge, I have been saying this since the old Goonersweb.

My loyalties are not with this pathetic club any more.

I pity you London Arsenal fans with season tickets, I really do.

According to Ornstein, there is NO plan for this contract to be his last and the club very much want him to go on as long as possible.

Ivan's interview is too boring to endure. Got through the first few paragraphs, recognised the template, closed it.

My only other reaction is to say I don't believe a word he says, I don't believe a word Wenger says and they both need to fuck off and take that bastard Kroenke with them. THEN we can talk about ambition.

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Originally Posted by dostoy

My loyalties are not with this pathetic club any more.

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Does that mean you're supporting another club now? :blink:

the bed wetting from some is quite funny.

Quite telling how satisfied rival fans are with this outcome. It's obvious to everyone but the people who matter that under Wenger we will never be considered legitimate contenders for the big prizes. Suppose that isn't the priority anymore though.

Apparently he's going for the title next season, :lol: not in a month of sundays, what a joker!