Wenger Referendum IV

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Cosmetic concessions perhaps. But how do you see a director of football working at Arsenal? Wenger has already decreed how that's going to pan out. Would you want to be the bloke that's hired for a role Lord Wenger proclaims doesn't exist? Cup win certainly took some heat away, no doubt. But I think we're a long way from the sort of temperatures Kroenke is prepared to endure. St Louis didn't make him sweat and that was pretty vicious. These guys develop sure things on paper and then put plans into action and go to bank. They don't give a fuck who is affected in the process. 2019/20 is the year to watch. I'll predict it now. Wenger will be getting his new contract and the Euro mobsters will have made giant strides to locking in the "elite" teams in their money league. That's why Kroenke won't take a billion and walk and that's why he wants Wenger here doing what Wenger does. Football is the theatre that distracts from the real business.

I don't know precisely how the NFL is funded, but the decision to move from St Louis was based on poor attendances which presumably they felt would be rectified by taking the franchise back to Los Angeles.
Arsenal's profits are two fold, one is gate receipts and the other is tv money.
I don't think Kroenke will like even a short term loss when you consider what he is paying out for, in terms of building a new stadium in Compton.
If there is significantly less up take on season tickets and the results are shit, this idea that Kroenke is Wengers mate will soon dissolve. Kroenkes mates include George Washington and Benjamin Franklin.
People who don't want this man at the club should stay away, for all this talk about it not necessarily being his last contract he could still find himself sacked.

[Letters]

That could work but it's the 100% support during the game which I'm not so sure has been happening.
I've not been in the ground this year so maybe it's better than I imagine but at times I think the frustrations have boiled over during the game and that helps no-one.
It's like that time when someone...was it Eboue? Anyway, he was having a shocker and people started booing him during the game. During it! While he was on the pitch. It just made him more nervy, more prone to mistakes.
I don't like that kind of thing.

[Niall_Quinn]

I don't know precisely how the NFL is funded, but the decision to move from St Louis was based on poor attendances which presumably they felt would be rectified by taking the franchise back to Los Angeles.
Arsenal's profits are two fold, one is gate receipts and the other is tv money.
I don't think Kroenke will like even a short term loss when you consider what he is paying out for, in terms of building a new stadium in Compton.
If there is significantly less up take on season tickets and the results are shit, this idea that Kroenke is Wengers mate will soon dissolve. Kroenkes mates include George Washington and Benjamin Franklin.
People who don't want this man at the club should stay away, for all this talk about it not necessarily being his last contract he could still find himself sacked.

Stan and Ali have this all stitched up. Club just landed in position 6 on the global rich list, valued at 1.7bill. Share price is untouchable. Man Utd just hit the top spot - 3bill. And that's during the carnage of the early post-Ferguson period. These clubs are moving away from what happens of the pitch and who turns up at the stadium. Some of the VR technologies being trialled now will make it possible for millions of fans to attend the match without leaving their armchairs. The old football is dead, the new corporate-ball is thriving and that's the only reason a failing manager like Wenger can hang on to his job. What does this 2 year contract really tell you about Arsenal? What does it tell you about our priorities? When you think of modern Arsenal, think of Amazon.com. They don't even need to make profits to dominate the marketplace and, in turn, set the course for that market. Kroenke's in the right place at the right time and that won't be by accident. He's won this and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it. That's the sad truth of it. I think if fans want to stay away because they have lost interest in something that has had 90% of the passion sucked out of it then that's understandable. I also think if fans, in their frustration, want to pay to get into the stadium and scream abuse at these rapists then that's fine and understandable too. But none of it will make any difference in the end. The field is ripe, the locust swarm is here. When they have devoured everything they will leave and then I guess somebody will need to sow some grass and paint a few lines and start again.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That could work but it's the 100% support during the game which I'm not so sure has been happening.
I've not been in the ground this year so maybe it's better than I imagine but at times I think the frustrations have boiled over during the game and that helps no-one.
It's like that time when someone...was it Eboue? Anyway, he was having a shocker and people started booing him during the game. During it! While he was on the pitch. It just made him more nervy, more prone to mistakes.
I don't like that kind of thing.

With the greatest of respect I doubt anyone gives a fuck what you like.

In Spain and Italy, or even Turkey where Eboue went that kind of thing is commonplace

That kind of scrutiny is the flip side of earning an obscene salary, in many ways off the back of gate receipts

If you can't hack it, find something else to do. That's the crucible where you burn away the wastrels and leave behind only the best.

If you're a player don't whinge about it, either improve your showing or move on.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Stan and Ali have this all stitched up. Club just landed in position 6 on the global rich list, valued at 1.7bill. Share price is untouchable. Man Utd just hit the top spot - 3bill. And that's during the carnage of the early post-Ferguson period. These clubs are moving away from what happens of the pitch and who turns up at the stadium. Some of the VR technologies being trialled now will make it possible for millions of fans to attend the match without leaving their armchairs. The old football is dead, the new corporate-ball is thriving and that's the only reason a failing manager like Wenger can hang on to his job. What does this 2 year contract really tell you about Arsenal? What does it tell you about our priorities? When you think of modern Arsenal, think of Amazon.com. They don't even need to make profits to dominate the marketplace and, in turn, set the course for that market. Kroenke's in the right place at the right time and that won't be by accident. He's won this and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it. That's the sad truth of it. I think if fans want to stay away because they have lost interest in something that has had 90% of the passion sucked out of it then that's understandable. I also think if fans, in their frustration, want to pay to get into the stadium and scream abuse at these rapists then that's fine and understandable too. But none of it will make any difference in the end. The field is ripe, the locust swarm is here. When they have devoured everything they will leave and then I guess somebody will need to sow some grass and paint a few lines and start again.

So if a club loses a significant share of its revenue it won't affect the share value?

That's what I'm reading. Whether we like Wenger or not, the share value has been based on high takers for season tickets and Wengers previously proven ability to get us in the top four. Remove this and you are removing a supoorting column.

[Niall_Quinn]

So if a club loses a significant share of its revenue it won't affect the share value?

That's what I'm reading. Whether we like Wenger or not, the share value has been based on high takers for season tickets and Wengers previously proven ability to get us in the top four. Remove this and you are removing a supoorting column.

But they only have to last a few short years and then gate receipts will be pocket money. Or else they'll be able to purge the middle and working classes entirely and turn the stadium event into Hollywood. I agree, it would be somewhat damaging right now if somehow the fans all opted to stay away. But the very nature of the fanbase today makes that unachievable. It was tried. A one off, meaningless game against Sunderland. Estimates were 10-20K stayed away and even then the club banked the cash. This would have to be mass failure to renew season tickets. I assume that would be big news if it was happening. Way I see it, there's still a waiting list. Difference between fans and the owners is we're short term and they are long term. They'll have contingencies a mile deep. We have demands for a past that's not coming back. It's not hard to figure who will win this. During the deepest global recession in recorded history Football INC is growing at an unprecedented and obscene rate. Wait until you see what the next TV deal yields, when the elites lock themselves in and everyone else out. Stan will have projections based on every piece of insider information and cocktail party handshake. He just has to steer through these last couple of seasons, then nothing can touch him.

[Letters]

With the greatest of respect I doubt anyone gives a fuck what you like.

In Spain and Italy, or even Turkey where Eboue went that kind of thing is commonplace

That kind of scrutiny is the flip side of earning an obscene salary, in many ways off the back of gate receipts

If you can't hack it, find something else to do. That's the crucible where you burn away the wastrels and leave behind only the best.

If you're a player don't whinge about it, either improve your showing or move on.

Whether I like it or not isn't the issue. The issue is do we want Arsenal to win games? We are Arsenal fans, yes? So I guess we do.
So is doing something during the game to a player who is already struggling and which visibly makes a player play even worse helpful? Is it aligned with our hope that we win games?
It's a pretty simple logic. And yes, I agree it's part and parcel of earning £100k a week, players will get more scrutiny. But that doesn't make it a helpful thing to do.

[Niall_Quinn]

You really do approach football as if it is a committee meeting. Perhaps if a player is not pulling his weight we could hit him with a strongly worded leafletting campaign?

[Letters]

You really do approach football as if it is a committee meeting. Perhaps if a player is not pulling his weight we could hit him with a strongly worded leafletting campaign?

It wasn't about him not pulling his weight, he was just having a poor game and making silly mistakes. Booing the poor sod so much he visibly makes even more mistakes isn't particularly helpful.

[Özim]

It wasn't about him not pulling his weight, he was just having a poor game and making silly mistakes. Booing the poor sod so much he visibly makes even more mistakes isn't particularly helpful.

If he's having a rubbish game anyway who cares, if he's not good enough he shouldn't even be playing. I'm not about the start feeling sorry for a player who earns thousands a week because a few people are booing him.

If he doesn't like it he can up his game or leave. If you're going to go in an industry where you in the spotlight then you need to be prepared to face some difficult situations, if you can't maybe just stick to playing pub league stuff.

This is the kinda stuff Wenger would come out with, our players have been wrapped up in cotton wool for too long.