Summer Transfer Misery 2017/18

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

I remember saying Wenger wasn't a great tactician 10 years ago or more and the GW mods rounding on me as if I had said something outrageous. Easy to say it's obvious now but people weren't saying it on this platform. Zim wasn't the lone voice but that doesn't matter. He's the one being singled out today and most days.

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Hindsight is a wonderful thing and we're all guilty of it to varying degrees. But blind devotion is not a wonderful thing and way, way too many of us were guilty of that for way way too long. Wenger and the club surfed it all the way to where we are now. A 10 year, slo motion train wreck with more and more passengers losing their blissful and snooty smiles and replacing them with masks of pure horror as the reality started dawning.

Some people are now saying the criticism of Wenger is being exaggerated. I'd love to know how? Worst manager in the world? The challenge still stands. Name a single manager who is worse, as things stand today and not based on events of 20 years ago, sticks of broccoli or Thierry Henry. Who, in world football, is fucking up more than Wenger? Name somebody. Who is playing their players out of position? Who is leaving their new signings on the bench for big games? Who is grubbing around for profits in the transfer window? Who is ruining young players to such a comprehensive degree? Who lies as much? The list could go on and on and on. He fucks up EVERYTHING. Again, no exaggeration.

And it was obvious it was coming. But of course, as fans, we'll be the blindest and most trusting of all. That's probably why some are still clinging to Wenger. They can't admit what the rest of us have had to admit, just how blind and gullible we've been.

The amusing part is watching Letters slow, incremental descent from blind devotion to pretend distant detachment.
It started with " I won't hear a bad thing said about him" to
" Don't anybody dare call him a cunt". To
" Nobody can prove that he is incompetent". To
" I know he really loves the club" to
" I wish he would leave on a high but I don't want him embarrassed".
Now what is left is.
" I secretly wish he would win the treble and shut these fucks up". At which point he would go back to line 1.
" I won't hear a bad thing said about him".

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

The amusing part is watching Letters slow, incremental descent from blind devotion to pretend distant detachment.
It started with " I won't hear a bad thing said about him" to
" Don't anybody dare call him a cunt". To
" Nobody can prove that he is incompetent". To
" I know he really loves the club" to
" I wish he would leave on a high but I don't want him embarrassed".
Now what is left is.
" I secretly wish he would win the treble and shut these fucks up". At which point he would go back to line 1.
" I won't hear a bad thing said about him".

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Going back to Gutenberg's New Worlde Almanac, published c.1440, I notice you said:

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Originally Posted by YeOldeGlobalgunner

I love Arsene Wenger!

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And now you want him sacked :haha:

:doh:

Make up your mind.

#1000InternetPoints

I invoke the Shaggy defence
"It wasn't me"

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Going back to Gutenberg's New Worlde Almanac, published c.1440, I notice you said:



And now you want him sacked :haha:

:doh:

Make up your mind.

#1000InternetPoints

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:haha::haha:

Interesting to see the absolute meltdown at Barca over their transfer window. Lose star players? Fail to bring in the players the fans want to see? And this is with a club that has won titles and CLs and competes at the very top level every season. The fans know that to ease off for just a second gives the advantage to their rivals. And Barca chiefs are out explaining and apologising and trying to placate the fans.

The cunts at our place? Lying as usual. According to Le Cock, who has competed for fuck all in a decade, it was everyone else's fault they raked in a profit during our most important transfer window in years. Catalyst for change? Same old same old. Lucky this lot have Arsenal fans to answer to, rather than Barca fans. Can you imagine?

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This is a club remember where the manager sets his own (modest) goals, fails to meet them, but is kept on anyway. This is a club where under-achieving players are rewarded with bumper contracts that make them unsellable. This is a club where Yaya Sanogo recently found gainful employment for four years.

Sanchez challenged the mediocrity, and must be gotten rid of as a result. Good riddance. Please leave Alexis, and allow Arsenal to sleepwalk to a seventh-placed finish in peace.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/...surprise-dont/

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

I remember saying Wenger wasn't a great tactician 10 years ago or more and the GW mods rounding on me as if I had said something outrageous. Easy to say it's obvious now but people weren't saying it on this platform. Zim wasn't the lone voice but that doesn't matter. He's the one being singled out today and most days.

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Because he welches on it, and deliberately exaggerates things. Things are bad enough without someone picking away at the carcus. It's as annoying as the devoted followers of Wenger who make shit up to fit their narrative.

I don't particularly want or need to have an inquest into what fans thought 5-10 years ago, what exactly does it achieve. You know what your opinion was, I know what my opinion was. And yet Zim seems to have a time machine he hasn't told anyone about where he thinks he can go back and correct the mistakes of the past in the sense of people's rose tinted spectacles when it comes to Wenger, first of all its crying for the moon as I remember people ripping him to shreds in a post season q and a back in 2009 over signing Mikael Silvestre. There's always been been those who have critiqued the Wenger approach, obviously it was going to take time for more and more people to be convinced.
Second of all even if every fan was against Wenger years ago would it have made the difference we think it might?

Don't get me wrong I'm not sure where Letters is coming from about a lack of nuance, we aren't in a situation that requires nuance. It's blatant to anyone that if you don't think he should be manager anymore you have some bizarre agenda.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Because he welches on it, and deliberately exaggerates things. Things are bad enough without someone picking away at the carcus. It's as annoying as the devoted followers of Wenger who make shit up to fit their narrative.

I don't particularly want or need to have an inquest into what fans thought 5-10 years ago, what exactly does it achieve. You know what your opinion was, I know what my opinion was. And yet Zim seems to have a time machine he hasn't told anyone about where he thinks he can go back and correct the mistakes of the past in the sense of people's rose tinted spectacles when it comes to Wenger, first of all its crying for the moon as I remember people ripping him to shreds in a post season q and a back in 2009 over signing Mikael Silvestre. There's always been been those who have critiqued the Wenger approach, obviously it was going to take time for more and more people to be convinced.
Second of all even if every fan was against Wenger years ago would it have made the difference we think it might?

Don't get me wrong I'm not sure where Letters is coming from about a lack of nuance, we aren't in a situation that requires nuance. It's blatant to anyone that if you don't think he should be manager anymore you have some bizarre agenda.

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Wasn't it Letters that decided to dig deep into archives of GW along a few of the other mods and Emirates bringing up what Zim would say about Gilberto?

If you find it annoying, you don't have to engage or attempt to challenge his posts every time. Even when there is an attempt to congratulate the team on a good result or celebrate a win on the thread, Letters is quick to take a swipe and drag out old stuff which takes the conversation down a level.

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

Wasn't it Letters that decided to dig deep into archives of GW along a few of the other mods and Emirates bringing up what Zim would say about Gilberto?

If you find it annoying, you don't have to engage or attempt to challenge his posts every time. Even when there is an attempt to congratulate the team on a good result or celebrate a win on the thread, Letters is quick to take a swipe and drag out old stuff which takes the conversation down a level.

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Seconded.

Zim has a certain way of presenting his opinions, as do I, as do all of us, but you can scan back and you'll see he doesn't initiate attacks on other posters and his targets are relevant. Wenger. The board. The players and sometimes those absolute fuckhead Wengerites who, yes, are entitled to their own opinions but they don't get a pass for being fucking stupid. Zim takes the piss out of Wenger, Letters takes the piss out of Zim. There is a HUGE difference in that. In fact Zim often tries to diffuse conflict by posting a reasonable and non-inflammatory response even when under the most vigorous abuse. Whereas Letter's style is far more likely to be a rush and flee, one line backstabs when he thinks it will attract attention. Zim concerns himself with Arsenal and its many woes, whereas Letters seems to use the place as a venue for amusement and trolling. Just my opinion. But also correct.