How comes nobody else moved to sign him despite being part of the Team of the Year?
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How comes nobody else moved to sign him despite being part of the Team of the Year?
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Like I said team of the yer means nothing, prefer someone who's been consistent or stood out over some nobody from a league with one team in it.
Like I said Vardy was in the team of the year, it's a perfect plattform for 1 season wonders, this guy is so good his club let him run down his contract without trying to sell him before :lol:
35 million Xhaka has been a huge hit hasn't he.
How do you know they didn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
It's possible but how likely is it that he turned down a move to a bigger club with Champions League football? Why choose Arsenal?Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
I think City were after him originally before Mendy. Though given he was a free transfer, I'm sure he had a lot of options by default.
He's always wanted to play for us. As a boy he wanted to have Arsenal DNA. We are the club of his boyhood dreams. He had a picture of RvC on his wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
I was reading something similar but his agent denied that. Sky were saying City, Everton and Milan were after him. Some others were saying Chelsea made a bid in January. Again, why Arsenal? Given what he's seen last year, is he mad?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
An actual quote from Wenger, related to Alexis :haha:
The unwitting truth? For all players who end up here?Quote:
'There is no development in his future it is always the same. He is staying, of course.'
London lights?Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
I care about Arsenal about 1% now but surely if Ozil, Ox and Alexis are not going to sign new deals then they have to be sold and replaced with players who actually want to be here.
Wenger is a cancer to Arsenal and he seems to be getting worse and the board do nothing apart from beg the fans to support him.
It will be terrible when Alexis finally leaves because he is such a good player but if he wants to go then he must be sold to the highest bidder and that money re-invested in the squad.
It will be the same old, same old, same old, same old shit starting in about 10 days time, you just know it already.
Jenkinson wants to be hereQuote:
Originally Posted by dostoy
I did not mention Jenkinson.
He is different, of course he wants to be here as he realises that when he leaves it will be a step down with less money.
Alexis, Ox and Ozil can go to better teams than Arsenal and get more money.
I wonder what will happen if PSG do not sign Neymar.
About as much oversight and competence as the Trump White House
At least people actually get sacked from the Trump administration.
Premature doom and gloom. We need to judge this at the end of the season. It could be different this time. Wenger kills his cat by fucking it to death when he loses a match. This is how much he loves the club, and how little he loves his cats.
:haha: :haha: :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
If Neymar goes to psg it's very bad news for us. It will cause further inflation , we need to get the lemar deal doneQuote:
Originally Posted by dostoy
It doesn't matter who we sign or who we lose.
We have Wenger.
Neymar to PSG is close to completion apparently.
Unbelievable. I can't take this game seriously anymore.
Lacazette is a very good player, but I can't escape the feeling that we should have actually signed a world class striker.
Maybe they did. But whether they did or not is irrelevant. He is by all accounts a good signing but Zim doesn't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
What's amusing is Zim constantly changing his argument and moving goalposts so he can keep believing what he believes rather than conceding any ground.
Stop being ridiculous. We should judge things before they happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Like when Giroud came on in the FA Cup final and you said what a ridiculous substitution it would be and were completely correct as Giroud contributed nothing.
Lolz.
Unfortunately, not the one who is the most incompetent...Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Wait...so now you're saying spending a lot on a player doesn't mean they will be a hit? You started this argument discounting Kolasinac as a signing because he was free :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
You've moved the goalposts so far that you're now arguing the exact opposite of where you started.
:wacko:
No I'm saying the Bundesligue is sh*t and thus the team of the season over there really doesn't amout to that much. This guy also happens to be an unknown who was free and on the face of it didn't have a host of top clubs after him despite being free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
As I said I would have preferred a known quantity and seeing as Xhaka supposedly one of the outstanding performers in the Bundesligue when he came has been dreadful I'm not too hopeful about this guy, particularly with Wenger record regarding signing defenders who can't defend. IMO it's a risky signing as we really don't know if he'll be any good, now sure he's free but he does take up squad space so if he doesn't work out we'll be stuck with him like we are with a number of players, we should be signing players who are more likely to be a success, players with a proven record at this stage.
But you can keep making up some nonsense about what I'm saying if it makes you happy :coffee:
It looks like he could be a good signing but I’ve hardly seen him play and hadn’t heard of him prior to us signing him. I don’t think you, GP or Zim have ever seen him play for Schalke so it’s too early to judge. Posting up Team of the Year doesn’t change the fact that he’s not a household name in football, but that doesn’t make him a bad signing either. It’s a grey area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I think you’re missing the overall argument and caught up in trying to win a point. The original arguments is getting lost in the sauce. Didn’t this start with GP saying this is shaping up to be good summer, as if we’re doing something different we haven’t seen before? We’ve signed one big signing and signed a freebie.
If Kolasanic wasn’t free would we have even signed him? Was it another case of us seeing an opportunity to find quality on the cheap? He managed to run his contract down to year and bids were coming in for him last year but I haven’t seen that we were linked with a move for him last year. I’ve seen he was linked to Chelsea, Liverpool and Juve. So I question what promoted us to sign him. Was it the talent or price tag? I suspect price tag. Even with Lacazette I think the club thought they’d have to bite the bullet. We were linked with Lukaku and Morata last summer and we’ve seen the price they’ve gone for. Laca was the cheaper option out of the three.
We’ve still got a lot of work to do. Question marks even hang over Lacazette’s quality and if he’s even enough to make a difference. Personally, I think he’s a good striker but it’s a wasted signing without a better midfield supporting him. He’s not a Suarez, Sanchez type.
Neymar given permission to speak to PSG.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40800757
I can't under$stand why h€ would want to go there
You don't?Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
How can this be ok under financial fair play? Does a percentage of the fee arrive at FIFA in a brown paper bag?
It'll have to be a brown paper lorry with these sorts of figures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thierrymon
Football :rose:
I said Giroud's a joke and so is Wenger. Your one instance of randomness and chance doesn't obscure either of their records nor their consistent failures. We are dropping down the table and declining as a club because we have Giroud here, because we have Wenger here and others like them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Which is why there is zero requirement to wait a moment longer to judge anything related to this club.
At best we'd still be trying to sign him, probably because we'd already put in a couple of underbids and wasted a bunch of time. It's good business to get quality for free (free being a euphemism for very expensive, because the wages still have to be paid, and I'm sure the grubby agent will want a bung too). But it's coincidental when we pick up quality on the cheap every now and again, because Wenger is always dragging his net across the rubbish tip. 99% of what he snags has to be thrown back, usually after costing us time and money and progress in the process. We can't complain about getting a good player for free or cheap, but we can definitely complain about Wenger's overall skinflint mentality that has diminished the club.Quote:
If Kolasanic wasn’t free would we have even signed him?
:gp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Yes, obviously I agree with that. I'm just going on a few people who commented on the signing at the time and seemed to think he's a good player. And being in the team of the year is a good indication that he's not a clogger. But no, he's not a household name. It's just funny to see Zim floundering around changing his argument so that his opinion can stay the same. He does this all the time. It is textbook cognitive dissonance. He takes a position and the more evidence he's shown that he's wrong the more he digs his heels in, moves goalposts and does logical contortions to do anything other than change his position an inch. He's helped by a lot of things in football being quite subjective of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
GP said that ages ago, at the time I think his point was "so far, so good" and I generally agreed that it was quite promising we had signed two good players reasonably early in the window. I don't think his argument was about money spent but about getting some business done fairly early and not having deadline day sagas. But we've moved on a bit since then and not continued to sign the players we need, as time goes on the summer looks less and less impressive.Quote:
I think you’re missing the overall argument and caught up in trying to win a point. The original arguments is getting lost in the sauce. Didn’t this start with GP saying this is shaping up to be good summer, as if we’re doing something different we haven’t seen before? We’ve signed one big signing and signed a freebie.
I don't know whether we would have signed Kolasanic were he not free, I was just merely pointing out it's logically flawed to discount a signing because it was a free, with the Bosman ruling players can run down their contracts and go on free transfers and he's not some kid who is being let go. Judging the Kolasanic signing just on the basis that he was free is as flawed as thinking Kyle Walker is a megastar because he cost £50m.
I agree we have a lot of work to do. But there is an argument that says that while Wenger is manager it doesn't matter much who we sign anyway.
No, it illustrates the idiocy of judging things before they happen, not after. The Groundhog Day nature of things strongly suggests another year of failure to challenge for the title, but that doesn't change the obvious truth than you can only properly assess a game or season after the event.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
When you say we are "dropping down the table". Our last 4 seasons have been 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 5th. In 3 of those seasons we won the FA Cup of course. It's not much of a basis to show a consistent decline. More stagnation where we never quite push on and properly challenge for the biggest prizes.Quote:
We are dropping down the table and declining as a club because we have Giroud here, because we have Wenger here and others like them.
Who could we have bought instead? Would you have taken Morata or Lukaku over Lacazette?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
That just sums up the whole back and forth between you and Zim. Not just this debate. The whole saga. :lol: You often take a position and only after the sorry mess unravels you start to realise what’s happened. It’s taken you a while to conclude Wenger is the problem despite Zim telling you this years ago. But you still talk as if he’s always wrong. I mean the statement about this summer sums it up. Also, I don’t think Kolas is being judged as a write off, just that he has to prove himself here because nobody has seen him play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Looking like Neymar move is getting a step closer:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40800757
Not many clubs can snare the elite clubs like Barca and Real best players.
Top players only leave Barca and Real Madrid if they're past it or if they're being cashed in for an upgrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Neymar falls under neither category. This is a game changer from PSG.
Precisely this will move PSG to a new level, alongside the elite clubs, they clearly want to win the CL and be the best and they are moving closer to that all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars