I said Giroud's a joke and so is Wenger. Your one instance of randomness and chance doesn't obscure either of their records nor their consistent failures. We are dropping down the table and declining as a club because we have Giroud here, because we have Wenger here and others like them.Originally Posted by Letters
Which is why there is zero requirement to wait a moment longer to judge anything related to this club.
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At best we'd still be trying to sign him, probably because we'd already put in a couple of underbids and wasted a bunch of time. It's good business to get quality for free (free being a euphemism for very expensive, because the wages still have to be paid, and I'm sure the grubby agent will want a bung too). But it's coincidental when we pick up quality on the cheap every now and again, because Wenger is always dragging his net across the rubbish tip. 99% of what he snags has to be thrown back, usually after costing us time and money and progress in the process. We can't complain about getting a good player for free or cheap, but we can definitely complain about Wenger's overall skinflint mentality that has diminished the club.If Kolasanic wasn’t free would we have even signed him?
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Yes, obviously I agree with that. I'm just going on a few people who commented on the signing at the time and seemed to think he's a good player. And being in the team of the year is a good indication that he's not a clogger. But no, he's not a household name. It's just funny to see Zim floundering around changing his argument so that his opinion can stay the same. He does this all the time. It is textbook cognitive dissonance. He takes a position and the more evidence he's shown that he's wrong the more he digs his heels in, moves goalposts and does logical contortions to do anything other than change his position an inch. He's helped by a lot of things in football being quite subjective of course.
GP said that ages ago, at the time I think his point was "so far, so good" and I generally agreed that it was quite promising we had signed two good players reasonably early in the window. I don't think his argument was about money spent but about getting some business done fairly early and not having deadline day sagas. But we've moved on a bit since then and not continued to sign the players we need, as time goes on the summer looks less and less impressive.I think you’re missing the overall argument and caught up in trying to win a point. The original arguments is getting lost in the sauce. Didn’t this start with GP saying this is shaping up to be good summer, as if we’re doing something different we haven’t seen before? We’ve signed one big signing and signed a freebie.
I don't know whether we would have signed Kolasanic were he not free, I was just merely pointing out it's logically flawed to discount a signing because it was a free, with the Bosman ruling players can run down their contracts and go on free transfers and he's not some kid who is being let go. Judging the Kolasanic signing just on the basis that he was free is as flawed as thinking Kyle Walker is a megastar because he cost £50m.
I agree we have a lot of work to do. But there is an argument that says that while Wenger is manager it doesn't matter much who we sign anyway.
No, it illustrates the idiocy of judging things before they happen, not after. The Groundhog Day nature of things strongly suggests another year of failure to challenge for the title, but that doesn't change the obvious truth than you can only properly assess a game or season after the event.
When you say we are "dropping down the table". Our last 4 seasons have been 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 5th. In 3 of those seasons we won the FA Cup of course. It's not much of a basis to show a consistent decline. More stagnation where we never quite push on and properly challenge for the biggest prizes.We are dropping down the table and declining as a club because we have Giroud here, because we have Wenger here and others like them.
Who could we have bought instead? Would you have taken Morata or Lukaku over Lacazette?
That just sums up the whole back and forth between you and Zim. Not just this debate. The whole saga.You often take a position and only after the sorry mess unravels you start to realise what’s happened. It’s taken you a while to conclude Wenger is the problem despite Zim telling you this years ago. But you still talk as if he’s always wrong. I mean the statement about this summer sums it up. Also, I don’t think Kolas is being judged as a write off, just that he has to prove himself here because nobody has seen him play.
Looking like Neymar move is getting a step closer:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40800757
Not many clubs can snare the elite clubs like Barca and Real best players.
Top players only leave Barca and Real Madrid if they're past it or if they're being cashed in for an upgrade.
Neymar falls under neither category. This is a game changer from PSG.
Last edited by Marc Overmars; 02-08-2017 at 11:09 AM.
Precisely this will move PSG to a new level, alongside the elite clubs, they clearly want to win the CL and be the best and they are moving closer to that all the time.
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