Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Paying 13million for a player who you don't believe fits into the style your team wants to play is different than spending £35million

I don't agree with how Wenger makes his decisions, but there is no sense in saying i don't understand it. Although interestingly was Arseblog Arsecast the other day that suggested that the club had to persuade the manager to up the amount he was prepared to spend on Xhaka.

I personally don't see the value of bringing in a striker before addressing why we seem to only have the one outlet for chances created and that's Mesut Ozil, the lack of goal scoring chances creating down our right hand side is especially problematic when you consider Giroud is a striker who gets a lot of his goals by ghosting in at the near post.

For me, we should be going all out for Mahrez, and if the club is cheap enough to not want a striker on top of us than we have the option at least of rotating Walcott, Giroud and Alexis up front.

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Let me come back on the bold point. £13m on a player that clearly doesn't fit into our system is a huge waste compared to paying £35m or over for a player that clearly fits the requirements but is a bit price. Besides wasting money, it wastes the energy and talent of players that are actually pulling their weight in this team and we end up losing again because those players leave.

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Originally Posted by Özim

You won't find anyone better, we've left it so late again the options have really dried up, you can't expect to sit on your arse all summer and still have a huge array of options.

Lacazette is our best option now, his goal record is good, he's 25 so will be around a fair few years and has pace, he's the one we should go for. If you leave it to Wenger he'll find some unknown no hoper who can't hit a barn door with a banjo, after all he shocked us all and signed Wellbeck and many laughed at before he arrived, Wengers' idea of top quality is way off the mark.

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Tell Wenger not me! :crying:

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Originally Posted by Özim

It's very foolish and makes absolutely no sense, last time we had to make do with Wellbeck another misfiring forward, this is Wenger idea of quality sadly, cheap, poor finishers.

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I don't think Wenger particularly wanted Welbeck. His injury problems aside he's always been looking for a striker even after we signed him.

I think he was our best option at the time.

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Originally Posted by Kano

Every team has a budget and valuation they place on things. A story has come up that City aren't willing to pay the price Everton have set for Stones. Of course no one knows if that is a bullshit story or not, most probably is. However change the team to Arsenal and it becomes certified truth. Alexis was around £35m for us, for a player that wasn't an absolute essential part of Barcelona's set-up (like a Suarez or Neymar type) and was probably overpriced by a good ten million. His value has probably increased at Arsenal due to his ability becoming crucial to our team and more of a spotlight on him because of that, so his profile has increased. So I honestly think he would pay the figures being quoted here. However the press simplify everything seem far simpler than it is.

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Kano, It doesn't matter if City won't meet the valuation for Stones and it doesn't really matter if the press have a problem with Arsenal over meeting Player valuations.

What matters is that we need to strengthen our team and we're not doing that. All evidence points to us not being prepared to pay market value for the players we have targeted as solutions to our problems.

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Originally Posted by bignev

I don't think Wenger particularly wanted Welbeck. His injury problems aside he's always been looking for a striker even after we signed him.

I think he was our best option at the time.

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He wasn't our best option, again we left it last minute and if you do there are no players available, I just don't understand why we would wait till the end of the transfer window.

One the one hand he talks about super quality and only buying players better than he has, on the other he signs players who don't cut it, really odd behaviour.

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Originally Posted by selassie

Kano, It doesn't matter if City won't meet the valuation for Stones and it doesn't really matter if the press have a problem with Arsenal over meeting Player valuations.

What matters is that we need to strengthen our team and we're not doing that. All evidence points to us not being prepared to pay market value for the players we have targeted as solutions to our problems.

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The evidence is clear when we start each season without the required numbers and quality. If City don't get Stones they'll find another target if they're really desperate for CB.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

The evidence is clear when we start each season without the required numbers and quality. If City don't get Stones they'll find another target if they're really desperate for CB.

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Exactly, other clubs don't go for one player and leave it there if they don't get him, they have a list and go after the next option, the way we conduct transfers is laughable, there's no excusing it, everyone else manages to get players in without too much fuss.

It's only hard to sign players if you don't want to pay the asking price.

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Originally Posted by Özim

He wasn't our best option, again we left it last minute and if you do there are no players available, I just don't understand why we would wait till the end of the transfer window.

One the one hand he talks about super quality and only buying players better than he has, on the other he signs players who don't cut it, really odd behaviour.

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Welbeck wasn't an option at all. It was a deadline day gamble which is what we'll probably see again this season if we don't act soon.

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Originally Posted by Özim

He wasn't our best option, again we left it last minute and if you do there are no players available, I just don't understand why we would wait till the end of the transfer window.

One the one hand he talks about super quality and only buying players better than he has, on the other he signs players who don't cut it, really odd behaviour.

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I did say he was our best option at the time

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Let me come back on the bold point. £13m on a player that clearly doesn't fit into our system is a huge waste compared to paying £35m or over for a player that clearly fits the requirements but is a bit price. Besides wasting money, it wastes the energy and talent of players that are actually pulling their weight in this team and we end up losing again because those players leave.

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I'm not convinced Wenger agrees otherwise he'd have stumped up the money. That's the point i'm trying to make, i don't agree with the conclusions he comes to but to say it makes no sense is something else. If Wenger rated him and thought he would fit into the style of football he wanted to play i think he'd have stumped up the cash or at least considered going in for a higher offer.

I think with Giroud he was spending less money, he scored a lot of goals for Montpellier in their title winning season so because of the price tag it made it much less of a risk for him. That's how he works....it's always how he works.

He is basically obsessed with this stats database which is his bible, apparently he went for Welbeck based on it's advice.

For what it's worth i don't rate Lacazette either, i think it's telling that besides West Ham no one else is in for him.....and that Lyon appear to almost be pushing him on us because they know the player wants to leave.

If we are determined to only spend money on one attacking player i reiterate i think it should be Mahrez

Failing that i'd be tempted by Daniel Sturridge if i had any faith that he wouldn't be beasted in training by Wenger or knobbled by the backroom staff