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Thread: Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    I knew this would happen, we aren't going to and haven't signed a striker for 4 or 5 seasons now because of Wenger's reluctance to pay the market prices. It's actually ridiculous.
    I still can’t understand why no offer was made for Janssen considering the price he went for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Yep. You also have to question what outstanding quality did he see in Asano to want to sign him up but he’s hesitant with players that have more experience.
    No expectations on these random kids. He's probably too worried about the possibility of the bigger money players not working out. His reputation would be in the gutter if he spent a lot and the players didn't work out.

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    In fact, just thinking of that Vardy deal, quality wise, Lacazette and Vardy are similar types of players except Lacazette is younger, more variety to his goals and a longer history of scoring at a higher level. Why the heck aren't we moving for this deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    I knew this would happen, we aren't going to and haven't signed a striker for 4 or 5 seasons now because of Wenger's reluctance to pay the market prices. It's actually ridiculous.
    I'll judge him when the window SLAMS shut



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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    In fact, just thinking of that Vardy deal, quality wise, Lacazette and Vardy are similar types of players except Lacazette is younger, more variety to his goals and a longer history of scoring at a higher level. Why the heck aren't we moving for this deal?
    The manager lives and operates in his own bubble when it comes to market value. £30m was the price he deemed fair but now he's probably looking elsewhere before deciding whether to go in higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    The manager lives and operates in his own bubble when it comes to market value. £30m was the price he deemed fair but now he's probably looking elsewhere before deciding whether to go in higher.
    He really does. If 20 year olds with one season behind them are going for over £30m, that price will double if they actually turn into something special. For a guy that brags so much about knowing future star players you would have thought he’d be able to calculate that some of these players will be worth the fee when fully developed.

    In fact, thinking from a tactical stand point, I don’t get why he isn’t searching for players in a similar vein to Vardy if that was his target. I wasn’t in favour signing Vardy but there was an argument there that we bought Xhaka and went for Vardy so we could launch attacks from deep and counter quickly. I highly doubt but let’s assume that were the case. Since the Vardy deal has failed, shouldn’t we be looking for a similar player. We have a player here that has pace, similar size and stature, good finishing….shouldn’t our tactical needs outweigh the valuation?

    This is where Wenger differs from other managers. When certain managers pay crazy fees for one certain player, it’s because that player is essential to their blueprint. Us on the other hand, we let the valuation dictate everything and fudge the tactics when the season starts. In fact, it’s worse because we’ll still try to play Giroud up front with midfield players that can’t feed him assists because he’s too slow and play wingers that don’t cross so we make no use of his aerial ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    No expectations on these random kids. He's probably too worried about the possibility of the bigger money players not working out. His reputation would be in the gutter if he spent a lot and the players didn't work out.
    Yeah exactly, he's scared to spend money because if the player fails there will be more pressure from the board as we all know they value money over anything else. Ironically though his reputation is already in tatters, you can't go as long as he has without success without it having a negative impact on your reputation, even players like Vardy are turning their noses up at him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    He really does. If 20 year olds with one season behind them are going for over £30m, that price will double if they actually turn into something special. For a guy that brags so much about knowing future star players you would have thought he’d be able to calculate that some of these players will be worth the fee when fully developed.

    In fact, thinking from a tactical stand point, I don’t get why he isn’t searching for players in a similar vein to Vardy if that was his target. I wasn’t in favour signing Vardy but there was an argument there that we bought Xhaka and went for Vardy so we could launch attacks from deep and counter quickly. I highly doubt but let’s assume that were the case. Since the Vardy deal has failed, shouldn’t we be looking for a similar player. We have a player here that has pace, similar size and stature, good finishing….shouldn’t our tactical needs outweigh the valuation?

    This is where Wenger differs from other managers. When certain managers pay crazy fees for one certain player, it’s because that player is essential to their blueprint. Us on the other hand, we let the valuation dictate everything and fudge the tactics when the season starts. In fact, it’s worse because we’ll still try to play Giroud up front with midfield players that can’t feed him assists because he’s too slow and play wingers that don’t cross so we make no use of his aerial ability.
    He's an awful manager for the simple reason that he's more interested in finances than anything else, football is very much secondary and you can see that on the pitch and in transfers, his job is to build a winning team but he's more concerned about profits, he's really more of an economist than manager, in pure football terms he's way down the list of talented managers, the only reason anyone else would offer him a job would be to increase profits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    Yes odd though as he rates players like Giroud, Walcott and Welbeck who aren't exactly great and are inferior to Lacazette.

    Probably right though, doesn't seem to be a big fan of players who score goals on the whole.
    Paying 13million for a player who you don't believe fits into the style your team wants to play is different than spending £35million

    I don't agree with how Wenger makes his decisions, but there is no sense in saying i don't understand it. Although interestingly was Arseblog Arsecast the other day that suggested that the club had to persuade the manager to up the amount he was prepared to spend on Xhaka.

    I personally don't see the value of bringing in a striker before addressing why we seem to only have the one outlet for chances created and that's Mesut Ozil, the lack of goal scoring chances creating down our right hand side is especially problematic when you consider Giroud is a striker who gets a lot of his goals by ghosting in at the near post.

    For me, we should be going all out for Mahrez, and if the club is cheap enough to not want a striker on top of us than we have the option at least of rotating Walcott, Giroud and Alexis up front.
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    Christ Sutton is spot on:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0438xyq

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