.........hhhmmmmmmm forget it
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.........hhhmmmmmmm forget it
http://www.goal.com/en/news/2898/eur...-behaviour-in?Quote:
Derksen blamed the side's failure on the excessive number of egos present in the dressing room, namely Gregory Van der Wiel, Ibrahim Afellay and Robin van Persie, and implied that problems with mentality and structure were rife in the Dutch camp.
"[Gregory Van der Wiel] was working on everything except football," he told Voetbal International. "He has his own clothing line and was working too long on it.
"Plus he was working on hip hop music and was getting his hair done every day. Players hardly saw him without headphones on. He wasn't listening to music only during matches and training.
"From day one [Robin van Persie and Ibrahim Afellay] were not part of the group. Afellay is hated in the Dutch camp. He came across as 'I play for Barcelona, who do you play for?'
"He was very arrogant. When it was someone's birthday, and everybody had to pay for a gift, he wouldn't even chip in €10.
"Van Persie was behaving in the same way. Van Persie and Afellay were together for the whole tournament. Also, everyone was disturbed by Van Persie not talking to the press [referring to the gagging order placed on the 28-year-old by his club, Arsenal, amid doubts over his future]."
However, he had kinder words to say for Wesley Sneijder, whom he believes was the only player trying to foster any sort of team spirit: "He wanted to take the lead, and wanted to get the team on their feet."
Netherlands will compete with Turkey, Hungary, Romania, Estonia and Andorra in qualifying for the 2014 World Cup, which begins in September.
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Nothing to do with the shit defence and poor tactical set up
then?
Typical Bar**** **** Afellay is
RVP can fuck off as well
Sneijder :bow:
RVP :lol:
Billy big bollocks.
Better that than the rest of the Dutch side which was largely Billy van der No Bollocx.
Afellay doesn't really play for Barca though does he, he largely sits on the bench or is left out of the squad. Wasn't impressed with him.
Schneijder was superb though.
So RvP kept to himself and stuck to his agreement not to talk to the press? What a ****!Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
How did him not talking to the press affect the Dutch results? I can see why having a shit manager and shit tactics, shit defenders and greedy bastards like Robben might have an effect but the press thing is hard to figure out. If RvP has broken his deal with Arsenal and spoke to the press, does that mean the Dutch would be in the QF now? Seems far fetched.
RVP has shown his true colours here. We need to get rid before he starts to affect our team.
You might want to re-read this bit as well:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Team spirit is important for a successful team and not integrating yourself with the rest of the squad is detrimental. Ask Wenger.Quote:
From day one [Robin van Persie and Ibrahim Afellay] were not part of the group. Afellay is hated in the Dutch camp. He came across as 'I play for Barcelona, who do you play for?'
"He was very arrogant. When it was someone's birthday, and everybody had to pay for a gift, he wouldn't even chip in €10.
"Van Persie was behaving in the same way.
Does anyone else think Derkson is a crybaby bitch?
He's also supposed to be the best captain we've had since Vieira.
(That's Rvp not Derkson)
Well the Dutch were very disjointed and didn't really perform, whether he's the best captain or not is irrelevant....he didn't perform for Holland on the whole. The manager clearly got it wrong, but Holland have always been known for having too many players with big ego's.
Schneijder seemed far hungrier than most of the others.
Then he should consult a dietician.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Schneijder :bow:
RVP was behaving in the same way as Afellay? Does that mean hes off to Barca?Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Or was he saying "I play for Arsenal, who do you play for?"? Seems unlikely cos he'd be laughed out of town for that. Or maybe he did do that and was laughed out of town hence all the problems
Not really. It's an pertinent example of how this supposedly problem player is more than capable of integrating into a team, not only that, but actually going above an beyond to engender an atmosphere of team spirit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
The big ego's thing is as lazy an accusation as it gets, irrespective of the era, Holland's failures without exception are attributed to egos.
But the point is this, whether this is the reason Holland failed or not is by the by. Just because there is a tournament on does not mean I'm about to u-turn and pretend I give 2 shits about what happens in international football.
Rvp is not like this with us, and that's all that matters.
I read it properly the first time. "Van Persie was behaving in the same way." So he wouldn't give ten Euros and walked around giving it large about playing for Barcelona? Unlikely. So the accusation is he wouldn't integrate. Big deal, how does that equate with this team of superstars getting beaten by the likes of Denmark?Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
What we have here is a shit journalist whoring for attention plus a handful of Arsenal fans who are always eager to jump on the players and the manager. Some people bitch about players not performing and then they find ways to bitch about the players who do perform. Doubt RvP is particularly pleased with how the Euros turned out but we as fans don't need to worry about that because we can already be pleased about the contribution he made to the only club that matters - Arsenal.
Alternatively it could actually support the point about not being a team player unless he's the most important person in the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
Anyway I don't have a problem with RVP but considering the amount of quality they have, there was a real lack of cohesion, they didn't seem like much of a team, more a group of individuals which doesn't point to a great team spirit...neither did Robben's reaction to being substituted.
Integration is important in terms of team spirit and cohesion, you can't have 10 superstars walking around only interested in the way they play, Incidentally RVP didn't perform for Holland and that's what we're talking about here, not Arsenal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
How Holland do doesn't mean a great deal, personally would have liked them to have done better though as they have a lot of good players and it's entertaining to watch top players play football, I've really enjoyed the Euro's think it's a refreshing change from all the frustrations of club football we have to go through.
Sure why not, given how disruptive he was before he was Arsenal captain. Never contributed to the birthday collections, never offered to buy the first round, always putting chilli powder in people's jockstraps.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Yeah I wanted the Dutch to do well too, for footballing reasons. But this hack trying to blame three players for those awful performances is just silly. Especially as there were viable replacements in the squad for all the players mentioned so what the hell was the manager up to if these three were wrecking the tournament for the Dutch? It doesn't add up, then again when does the chip wrapper quality tripe from a hack ever add up?Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
I haven't enjoyed the Euros (bar Spain vs Croatia and Germany vs Dutch) because the shitty negative teams are destroying it. The quality of football is so low for what is supposedly a premium competition. Watching Schweinsteiger, Ronaldo and Arshavin in the first game was fun and there was one run from Ox, but those highlights don't make up for the fact most of these teams can't pass a ball. I finally gave up watching though I'll tune back in for the England Italy game (for some weird reason).
Euros have been awesome tbf
Euros :bow:
NQ :haha:
Only if you like 8 players bricking up a goal. There has been a handful of notable performances, the rest has been dross. The fact it's a tournament gives it an extra buzz but if you just consider the football then there hasn't been much of that on display. Tonight will be equally painful with that awful excuse for a football team rolling out their bus again. Hopefully German ingenuity can dismantle it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Any time anyone, no matter how ridiculous the source slags off one of our players, for whatever reason, it has to be true. Even moreso if there are no quotes.
Fuck supporting anything to do with Arsenal.
RVP had an ego problem at Feyenoord, and got into conflict with the other more senior players because he behaved as if he was captain, rather than a 19 year old just breaking to the first team. His ego shrunk somewhat at Arsenal, but after last season, he seems to have gone into relapse. I don't have a huge problem with arrogance, but what has he actually achieved in his career? Most of it has been spent injured, and it was only last season when he performed consistently well (albeit he faded after March).
I'd rather have team players who are on the up at Arsenal (like Giroud and Podolski hopefully) rather than fading prima donnas like RVP. Time to get rid I think.
Shut the fuck up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
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I'll say it againQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Shocking summer you have had
If Wenger was a poster, he would be you.
I don't know why you always pick on my posts re: RVP. Others on this thread have said the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...7U9LIssJQY54ysQuote:
Originally Posted by Joker
Lol, the Greeks have certainly raised the level tonight eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Because all you post is shit about the p,ayers and the manager. A fucking spud would have grown tired of slagging us by now, but not you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fGPsOJnKQEQuote:
Originally Posted by Joker
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Who needs RVP? We should sign Basley Westian SchweinsneijderQuote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Here we go again!Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
I dont how you can write half the crap you do. . .yes, RvP has had a shocking run of injuries that has kept out of portions of every season he has been with us bar last year. . .I hazard a guess that if he hadnt he would be very close to being our highest goalscorer!
But how can you say he is a prima donna and that his attitude stinks, the guy watched the heart of the team get ripped out and at the same time get handed with the captains armband, no doubt with the adage 'Get us out of this mess' -
Did he mop and pout - no
Did he shun his responsibilty - no
Did he refuse to lead by example - no
We didnt win a trophy I know but you cannot say that RvP didnt try, he lead by example, proved me wrong by being the best captain weve had since PaddyV and stuck up for the team at every opportunity! He also didnt bitch about a thing! We have his contract to deal with now and I dont see why we cant have him Pods and Giourd at the club
Players have slumps unlike you, who is constantly good at posting toss
I still believe RVP was the other player to ask to leave last summer.
I hope he has seen sense and will sign but I think he'll be off to Italy if he does leave
'The other' singular?
Think there were several according to Wenger - including Song and Walcott. Pretty sure Van Persie's name wasn't mentioned...though from Wenger's account it was actually half the squad that wanted out.
He won't go to Italy.
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what a fucking idiotQuote:
Originally Posted by Joker
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/...oving-to-italyQuote:
Mino Raiola, who represents players such as Mario Balotelli and Zlatan Ibrahimovic, has advised Robin van Persie not to leave Arsenal for a move to Serie A, which he feels is "third-rate" and in decline.
The Gunners are determined to hold on to their skipper, but the Netherlands international is continually being linked with a move away from the club, with Juventus keeping a close eye on the 28-year-old's situation.
However, Raiola feels that a move to Serie A would be a step in the wrong direction for the attacker, should he leave the Emirates Stadium.
"If he really wants to leave Arsenal for Juventus, he should do everything in his power to make it happen. He should think hard about whether he wants a move to Italy, though," the flamboyant agent told NOS.
"Mario [Balotelli] could join any Italian top club if he wants as well, but you have to take a good look at whether this is the right move.
"In my opinion, the Italian league is only getting worse at this point. Italy should have improved their infrastructure and all that some 10 years ago. I'm talking about stadiums, but also about other facilities.
"I'm not afraid to say that Serie A a third-rate league now. When I started as an agent, Italy was pretty much the promised land. Joining an English club was a punishment.
"Things have changed, though. Players now prefer England, Spain and Germany over Italy, and rightly so."
Raiola's comments come only days after Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger's stated that Serie A is not good enough for Van Persie.
Spain it is then
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Van Persie to resume talks with Arsenal when back from Caribbean break. He's keen to stay, with or without new contract. Ball in #afc court.