Good Bye RVP!

[Xhaka Can’t]

Does anyone else think Derkson is a crybaby bitch?

[Fist of Lehmann]

He's also supposed to be the best captain we've had since Vieira.

(That's Rvp not Derkson)

[Özim]

Well the Dutch were very disjointed and didn't really perform, whether he's the best captain or not is irrelevant....he didn't perform for Holland on the whole. The manager clearly got it wrong, but Holland have always been known for having too many players with big ego's.

Schneijder seemed far hungrier than most of the others.

[GP]

Well the Dutch were very disjointed and didn't really perform, whether he's the best captain or not is irrelevant....he didn't perform for Holland on the whole. The manager clearly got it wrong, but Holland have always been known for having too many players with big ego's.

Schneijder seemed far hungrier than most of the others.

Then he should consult a dietician.

[Cripps_orig]

Schneijder

[Cripps_orig]

You might want to re-read this bit as well:



Team spirit is important for a successful team and not integrating yourself with the rest of the squad is detrimental. Ask Wenger.

RVP was behaving in the same way as Afellay? Does that mean hes off to Barca?

Or was he saying "I play for Arsenal, who do you play for?"? Seems unlikely cos he'd be laughed out of town for that. Or maybe he did do that and was laughed out of town hence all the problems

[Fist of Lehmann]

Well the Dutch were very disjointed and didn't really perform, whether he's the best captain or not is irrelevant....he didn't perform for Holland on the whole. The manager clearly got it wrong, but Holland have always been known for having too many players with big ego's.

Schneijder seemed far hungrier than most of the others.

Not really. It's an pertinent example of how this supposedly problem player is more than capable of integrating into a team, not only that, but actually going above an beyond to engender an atmosphere of team spirit.

The big ego's thing is as lazy an accusation as it gets, irrespective of the era, Holland's failures without exception are attributed to egos.

But the point is this, whether this is the reason Holland failed or not is by the by. Just because there is a tournament on does not mean I'm about to u-turn and pretend I give 2 shits about what happens in international football.

Rvp is not like this with us, and that's all that matters.

[Niall_Quinn]

You might want to re-read this bit as well:

Team spirit is important for a successful team and not integrating yourself with the rest of the squad is detrimental. Ask Wenger.

I read it properly the first time. "Van Persie was behaving in the same way." So he wouldn't give ten Euros and walked around giving it large about playing for Barcelona? Unlikely. So the accusation is he wouldn't integrate. Big deal, how does that equate with this team of superstars getting beaten by the likes of Denmark?

What we have here is a shit journalist whoring for attention plus a handful of Arsenal fans who are always eager to jump on the players and the manager. Some people bitch about players not performing and then they find ways to bitch about the players who do perform. Doubt RvP is particularly pleased with how the Euros turned out but we as fans don't need to worry about that because we can already be pleased about the contribution he made to the only club that matters - Arsenal.

[Özim]

Not really. It's an pertinent example of how this supposedly problem player is more than capable of integrating into a team, not only that, but actually going above an beyond to engender an atmosphere of team spirit.

The big ego's thing is as lazy an accusation as it gets, irrespective of the era, Holland's failures without exception are attributed to egos.

But the point is this, whether this is the reason Holland failed or not is by the by. Just because there is a tournament on does not mean I'm about to u-turn and pretend I give 2 shits about what happens in international football.

Rvp is not like this with us, and that's all that matters.

Alternatively it could actually support the point about not being a team player unless he's the most important person in the team.

Anyway I don't have a problem with RVP but considering the amount of quality they have, there was a real lack of cohesion, they didn't seem like much of a team, more a group of individuals which doesn't point to a great team spirit...neither did Robben's reaction to being substituted.

[Özim]

I read it properly the first time. "Van Persie was behaving in the same way." So he wouldn't give ten Euros and walked around giving it large about playing for Barcelona? Unlikely. So the accusation is he wouldn't integrate. Big deal, how does that equate with this team of superstars getting beaten by the likes of Denmark?

What we have here is a shit journalist whoring for attention plus a handful of Arsenal fans who are always eager to jump on the players and the manager. Some people bitch about players not performing and then they find ways to bitch about the players who do perform. Doubt RvP is particularly pleased with how the Euros turned out but we as fans don't need to worry about that because we can already be pleased about the contribution he made to the only club that matters - Arsenal.

Integration is important in terms of team spirit and cohesion, you can't have 10 superstars walking around only interested in the way they play, Incidentally RVP didn't perform for Holland and that's what we're talking about here, not Arsenal.

How Holland do doesn't mean a great deal, personally would have liked them to have done better though as they have a lot of good players and it's entertaining to watch top players play football, I've really enjoyed the Euro's think it's a refreshing change from all the frustrations of club football we have to go through.