How is he robbing you of your money?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner
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How is he robbing you of your money?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner
by serving us the highest ticket prices in the country for a wish-wash of shit they impudently call The Arsenal, displayed in a soulless superbowl they call the emirates stadium.
and then if that wasnt bad enough, they pocket my spare change, make their millions and defiantly question anyone who speaks up, leaving us peasants to bicker in the gutter.
Who the fuck are you calling a peasant?!
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Originally Posted by ItsMe
Roarnaldo
Lets be honest the medial have always treated British Managers better. If it was harry that got sacked from chavs, the press would still be going on about how should still be there etc and how Roman was wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Though even When AW winning this they gave him a hard time. He does act Stupid at times giving them a reason to write shit, say shit on TS, 606 etc. Though they do favour Harry who in their eyes can do no wrong. The media are scum anyways and most of the articles they write ar rubbish too.
The article was a good read though.
So are you talking about Wenger or the board? Wenger doesn't set the ticket prices and nobody forces you through the gate. You aren't being robbed, you are choosing to pay the prices. You know what's on offer and you don't like it, you feel you don't get value. The power is in your hands when it comes to the cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner
Again, I find it reasonable to criticise Wenger for many things but some of these charges are completely invalid.
Couldn't give two fucks about how the media treat Wenger, tbh.
who contributes to the 'wish-wash of shit they impudently call The Arsenal' then? wenger. and the fact we charge the highest ticket prices in the country based on what many would say are unreasonable grounds, means he doesn't escape the brunt of the anger. what am i meant to do, avoid watching and supporting the team i love just because some power nut wants to do things his way? by your definition, only those that support wenger, not arsenal, should be going to the games, and all the others should stop supporting arsenal until wenger leaves. isnt it arsenal fc not wenger fc? do we have to conform to wenger in order to watch our team? what kind of an argument is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
we live in a democracy and under those rules we have every right to contest each decision.
and the board and manager are not mutually exclusive, both have had a major say in where we find ourselves in. i call hill-wood exactly what i call wenger but you choose to ignore that. the power is in your hands when it comes to quoting posts.
I have little sympathy for Wenger.
He has presided over an era of unprecedented spin and bullshit from AFC, and increasingly, every time he takes decisions that fly in the face either of common sense, or the club's statements, all we are fed is more bullshit.
I have been thinking about why it feels so bad to be an Arsenal fan, and for me it comes down to the utter lack of transparency and respect shown by the club to its fans.
Should Gooners be happy at seeing:
- The captain of their club/best players sold almost every year
- Perserverence with and big wages spent on with players whom logic dictates are either never going to be good enough or are never going to be fit
- The highest ticket prices in Europe
- An increasingly bland and unsuccessful (relative to our recent past) style of football
- Bizzare decisions taken on the pitch that almost always backfire?
Each of the above on their own might be explainable. The problem is that they are never explained. Never commented on. We are just fed more and more bullshit -and make no mistake - this is a Wenger trait as much as it is an American one.
I am not saying that any club is a paragon of fan worship - but I can only think of one or two clubs that have shown as much disdain for fans as Arsenal, and those - Mike Ashley's Newcastle and Abramovich's Chelsea at least have (relative) recent success to sweeten the medicine.
For me - Wenger's response to what was admittedly an impudent question on Saturday summed up how he thinks. However the question was phrased, would it have been to much to at least offer some explanation for his decision to bring on Coquelin. Instead he bridled at the suggestion that the move had been bizzare. And that for me is in part why we Gooners feel so frustrated,.
Its fine to be arrogant and distant when things are going well. When they are not - it looks like contempt. Our club professes to have only the best interests of the club at heart. Bullshit. Any football club is the fans - and we are made to feel like we are a mere commodity while everyone - from owner to board to manager pursue their own agendas with no regard whatsoever to the likes of us.
Would the observer feel so sorry for the old lion if it had just sauntered over, mauled your dog and then pissed on your shoes? Probably not.
What I'm saying is you can't be robbed if you willingly hand over the money. Surely this is just a fact? Not sure what the bit about PHW refers to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner
football isnt that simple. its not black and white. we willingly hand over our money because we support arsenal fc not wenger fc. football is in this unprecedented position where it can mug you because of the unconditional love born at childhood. but that doesnt mean we cant complain. in fact, if we're going to be that pedantic, then those that go games have more right to complain seeing as our money is used inefficiently.