I fucking hope not.Quote:
Originally Posted by bignev
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I fucking hope not.Quote:
Originally Posted by bignev
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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
Besides, why would a chequebook manager go to a club that has no chequebook?
"Wenger turned down very big offer from Qatari owners to join PSG, says The Specialists show on Canal Plus. #afc #psg"
"Wenger was first choice to replace Kombouaré at PSG, not Ancelotti, according to The Specialists show on Canal Plus. #afc #psg"
They were having a massive discussion on him on Canal Plus, I think. Could be rubbish. Might not be. Sounds plausible. Who cares. Why am I posting this tbh. FML.
Wenger is done. There doesnt need to be any more reasoning for why people want him gone.
Id rather see someone else come in and fail if it meant that at least they tried to do something different.
Im sick and fucking tired of watching the same season happen like groundhog day for the past 6, nearly 7 years.
Fuck that.
We may not get any better with a new manager, but at least it would be something different.
Right now I have no hope that things will either change or improve under Wenger. It is same old same old all the time. I am completely devoid of any optimism whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by bignev
Would be great
At least we still have Fidel. We'd have still had Che if the CIA hadn't had him shot. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
phillipe auclair mentioned this a few months ago, that talks were happening and he was in place to take over in a year or two. obviously things have changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
absolutely no way he will be heading off to the madrid madhouse.
I'm coming round to that thinking. Wenger is still a top manager and would be a success at other clubs. However, I think that the situation we have is now tired and will not be revitalised until the manager is replaced. What should have happened (and was promised) this summer does not seem to taking place - the fact we have not gone out at the start of this window to buy the striker/goalscorer we desparately need says it all, I think. There was a case for waiting during August to see how the Nasri/Cesc thing would pan out, but the results to the end of December made it clear that we need to get a finisher to assist RvP with the workload. That being the case, given we supposedly have the money, we should have bought a significant finisher in the first week and had that done and dusted.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
I don't mind so much about the fullback situation - that we have 4 injured at once is unlucky and once they recover, we should be broadly OK. The lack of firepower up front which has been the case for years is what gets me. Bendtner, Chamakh and Walcott continue(d) to fail year after year but nothing is done to sling them out and try someone else. We need strikers with a natural confidence and that is not something you can do in training. I am coming to the conclusion that in terms of regular goalscoring, you've either got it or you haven't. And we need to buy a player - well, two would be better - who have got it. And the attacking midfielders are the same situation. Arshavin, Rosicy might have had it but they certainly show no sign of it now, so time to get rid and replace.
If people like 'arry can get players that are confident in front of goal, what the hell are we doing?
Wenger must go ? hmmmmm.....maybe yes..maybe no..simple to say it after a disappointing result which has at least revealed a new jewel . But the question is : Who will replace him and keep Arsenal at the same level ? I remember when Man U thrashed Arsenal 6-1 there were same feeling and people called for Wenger's head . A certain Thierry Henry played in that game and ended up getting the whole Man U team scared for life afterward. Alex Ox Chamberlain will surely be the next " Thierry Henry" and not Walcott . He will scare defenders . But he needs Wenger to achieve that . Wenger must go ? You may say yes and its your right but I say NO and its my right .
I would have gone with that way of thinking - did go along with that for the last few years - in the belief that in time we would recover the situation. However, the master plan that Wenger seemed to have has not acheived the result. I was OK going along with it - the idea of building a new team with new young talent, forming something that could last for several years at the top was a nice idea. However, the last couple of years have shown it is just not going to work. There was no backbone in the team when things went wrong, some players were being given far too long and far too many chances to see if they would finally perform.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
When we got to the end of the last season and Wenger said we would have to change the approach then I was still OK with that. However, the words have not been matched by actions. I don't say this because of the 8-2 at manu, or even losing to manu at home as well. The problem is that we are still failing in the same area. Not losing to other top teams sometimes - all the top teams do that. What has caused us to fall short year after year is the failure to show consistent results against the 'lesser' teams. The odd glitch is not important - all top sides throw an occasionaly wobbler and lose to someone that on paper they should have trashed. However, we are failing to do this time and again and this has been going on for years. And the common obvious factor to me is failing to finish. We do fancy footwork and piss around with the ball with great impressive displays sometimes, but when it comes to the crunch, i.e. putting the ball in the net, we are just not doing it. And sadly, the league is based on points and that means scoring more goals than the other team.
Which is what I said in the previous post. Wenger seems to be doing nothing about this situation and shows no sign of doing it. For that reason, I'm out.
Regarding the possible managerial swap between Wenger and Maureen. Out of the 2 managers who do you think would be more succesful in a seasons time if they did swap?
wenger. as maureen wouldn't have any money to spend.
It sickens me to say this, but I think Moronio would be more brutal with who stays/plays and who goes. He would clean out any negative vibes in the dressing room. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fats
This, Wenger deffo needs a change because the situation he is not in right now is not healthy. Im not saying he be a sucess in madrid but i think it wouldbe good for him to go there and play his way of footie too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPeck
And with madrid you know how their board work, so AW would have to do well or he'd be out. right now at Arsenal he is stale and we need freshness not a man with ideas that don't work anymoreor have not for years.
like GB said we may not get any better with someone new but its worth a try tbh and if were in the Europa i don't see the harm tbh.
Wenger he already has a good team there would not need to do much tweeking where as JM would need to do alot and imo evenif he came it be a while before we won anything under him while this board are still in place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fats
Exactly. I know people would be against Maureen but he would sort this club out. He wouldnt stand for the crap that we have had to put up with.
Time has come for a huge clear out of average players. The team would be more organized and play better football.
From a fans point of view I cannot see any problems with his appointment.
The board however never accept him and would never go for him as boss we know that for sure.
Wenger would fail in madrid and be sacked within a seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Whether true or not, for us, that would be irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fats
In terms of man management at least, Mourinho is miles better than Wenger and could probably squeeze more from the team when it's time to deliver.
Of course he has been backed financially at every club he's been at, something he wouldn't get on the same level here.
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Originally Posted by MaxPeck
You may be right at some extent . Wenger will not be at Arsenal for ever . People however great they are , they come and go . Wenger will certainly have a time to call it a day . But we must also think of what would happen after Wenger . If we are not sure of getting anything better than we have why not keep the same situation for a while .Booing Wenger was good as waking call . To send a message to the whole Board that fans are finally fed up with what is going on at the club . That clear message will bring changes . Everywhere you go leaders always think the mass are blind and fool .But when the mass wakes up and tell the leaders enough is enough that's where the changes start . I don't think wenger will accept getting booed every day . He will either go or change his tactics to improve . Will he prefer to go ? I doubt it because he will never find a team to be as comfortable as at Arsenal . But let's see what happen next . Wenger still has the support of the board . They are not ready to part with him as he takes all the blame for the them .
You have no way of knowing that unless you mean winning the league which jose has struggled to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fats
Id put my house on itQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
He have a better chance to win the cl with them then Jose did with us tbh, he have more of a chance to win the league over there then over here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fats
As for Jose thank feck it will never happen don't want thay cretin anywhere near this club. Let him feck off to spuds, mind you same can be said for the cretin in charge now.
I think to out-perform this current Barcelona team is almost impossible. If Real Madrid win the league I think it'll be the first time that I've ever seen such a clear example of the best team not winning. People say the 'league table doesn't lie' but if Barca don't win, it will have lied. Mourinho's a prick but he brings results. I used to hate Mourinho but I find it hard to dislike him now. He's a petulant child but if he came to Arsenal (he won't) I think he would thrive with the 'us against the world' mentality. Not saying he'd have the impact Wenger had late 90s but we'd do much better.
But as I said he's not a realistic choice because he'd never want to manage us. My first choice would be Spalletti. My second choice would be that Dortmund manager.
There are no guarantees about anything. Everyone who wants him gone also understand the club would then undergo a huge transition without it being clear whether we'd be better or not. The point is, people are just fed up of what's been goin on for the best part of 5 years now. The fact you'd be willing to just continue on like this just shows how Wenger has arguably become bigger than the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Just because there isn't an obvious solution doesn't mean one doesn't exist. If you stand still you inevitably get left behind and that's happening to us right now.
Realistically what would we see with a different manager?
Are the board going to back this hypothetical new guy with more money? Or any money? Kroenke has already stated he's happy with the way the club is run and isn't looking to make any significant changes in that dept. And why should he? We are one of the few profit making clubs on the planet, and this is someone who invested his money, not for love, but for money.
And btw, anyone who thinks Usmanov is not motivated by money should bear in mind that when he bought shares he described us, not as a great club with an illustrious history and a massive potential to win things, but as a "nice portfolio addition".
Given that, what would a new manager have to play with? In raw materials, the same bunch of players, in money, the 5th largest wage bill in the Premiership. In terms of tactics and coaching, a different approach.
A new man can, and probably would re-balance the wage structure. More money at the top end, and less money for the second string. Logically that would mean that we would be able to attract better first choice 11 players, but worse second string. A better first 11 sounds great, until you consider our injury record and how reliant we are on the certain sections of the squad.
This year, fullbacks. Last year, centre backs. The year before, centre forwards.
According to Lady Arse we lead the league in injuries again. We've invested heavily in a new cutting edge medical centre last year, but we're yet to reap the rewards.
This will all be magically solved of course if you believe that it is Arsene's training methods, style of play or over-reliance on certain players are the cause (over-reliance which can only be exacerbated by having a large discrepancy between 1st 11 and 2nd string).
To sum up, dunno really.
If he did take over at PSG it would be interesting to see if he changes his stance on buying or sticks to his current method and refuses to buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Depends if his board want instant success though is it not. He have no excuse not to spend over there and he not be on a tight budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
As stated many times on here before, our lack of trophies in the last 6 years has nothing to do with money.
Mourinho would do a lot, lot more with Arsenal than Wenger has, but Mourinho may not have any kind of chance of being able to put together the squad Wenger has on the money he's done.
Ferguson and Mourinho would be able to win the league with our squad last year, of that I'm pretty sure. Whether would be able to with the one this is more difficult to predict, given the drop in quality but I think they'd at least be able to put in a decent challenge.
An opinion stated repeatedly is still just that. An opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
perhaps but maureen would want a sizeable amount to bring his guys in. he won't be interested in picking up wengers pieces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
I'd guess instant success given that they have already ploughed millions into the club. Somehow I can't see Arsene being allowed the time to organically groom a team out of graduates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
I do find it funny that whenever Arsene gets a lot of pressure from Fans regarding his position stories about where he could go or is going to go come out in the press.
I'm honestly at the point now where I couldn't care if he went tomorrow. I respect him for his achievements and to some extent his philosophy but I think it's definitely time for a fresh start.
No - for me, it has been strikers that can score, year after year. While the defence has had cock-ups over the last 4 or 5 years (and I'm ignoring the tragic August this year as exceptionally shit and hopefully a one-off) the result has in the main just being that we dropped 2 points because we lost our 1 goal lead in the dying seconds, or lost from a drawing position for the same reason. However, time and again it should not have mattered because (if we had the tenacity of manu) we should have scored enough times that leaking the odd goal does not matter. And again, most times it happens against mediocre teams - and by rights of the amount of possession we should have been several goals up. This happens time and again, regardless of our defence being solid or crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
Even in Henry's last season, there were no other players stepping up to take shots at goal. It has been the constant problem. When Henry left, I had though that the other players, who had been over-awed by him and who were almost forced to feed the ball for him to score, would then have that burden taken away and then start shooting and scoring. But they didn't. And bar RvP, that seems to me to have remained the case for the last 5+ years. Wenger seems OK with that. As soon as we are a goal up, we go all defensive and he even substitutes to do that. So time and again, we end up defending for the last 20-30 minutes inviting the opposition to score. And since we have no scorers of our own, even when we get a break, unless it is headed by RvP on a good day, fuck all happens.
If we had more players that could shoot and score, that would have the desired defensive effect because unlike now, the opposition could not take the risk of sending everyone up. At the moment, if they are a goal down, they don't need any players in their own half because we have all retreated to the back of our half to defend a flakey one goal lead.
And I haven't even mentioned 4-4-2 yet, where with 2 attackers ready to pounce, there is a defensive effect because the opposition is forced to keep players back. Well, actually I did in a way. With only one person (RvP) seemingly capable of shooting and scoring, 4-5-1 is the only possibility. And vice versa. And so on forever until something forces it to change. Like a manager who can put on a different record. Which means..... etc.
Mourinho without a shadow of a doubt. The guys will win at all costs, if you don't give him money to outspend the opposition he'll find another way to fuck them up. This guy is the best and the most intensely committed manager in the world, almost the exact reverse of Wenger. Wenger is a purist who involves himself in every aspect of the club. Mourinho is a street fighter who doesn't give a shit about the club and focuses everything on the battle on the pitch. If I was going into a fight I'd want Mourinho beside me every time, listening to Arsene talk about optimum energy efficiency while getting kicked in the head wouldn't be for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fats
Plus I see Mourinho as the only manager who could take on and defeat our board. I consider our board to be Arsenal's biggest challenge and Arsenal's biggest enemy. Mourinho could fuck them up, drive them out and cause the sort of chaos we need to see at this club to reboot it. He'd get the players and the fans 100% behind him and we'd see the results on the pitch even without reinforcements. Everyone would end up hating us intensely, the hallmark of success in football. This is the only guy I could see being able to do a better job that Wenger. Anyone else would get eaten up by the board so nothing would change.
Swap deal, hell yes let's do it.
Also, never going to happen in a million years. The board has its man, the guy who focuses on money rather than the winner who is 100% committed to results.
Yep same here buddy. what he did for the club should be just that what he did, its what he does now that should count. I can't say whether or not spending moeny or not is his decsion because i don't and probs will never know. However i don't think he helps himself at times when he comes out with stuff like WP etc. my on concern if he does go is who comes in. I don't think Stan K will care who it is as long as money is being made.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
I think Wenger would be very successful in Madrid. He's not against spending money, he's for spending within the club's means. He'd have plenty of cash at Madrid and many of they types of player he's been trying to turn our lot into on a shoestring. He'd give Pep a run for his money because he'd have money and I believe he'd spend it. Quite a few of our lot might go with him of course, RvP, Jack, the kids that joined Arsenal specifically because of Wenger. Theo could ask but I bet Wenger would say no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fats
Mourinho wants Utd, doesn't he? But Arsenal as a stop gap while he waits for Ferguson to fuck off is not inconceivable from his point of view. It would be his biggest challenge yet, a team on the slide, the worst board in football, turning that around might appeal to him. All he'd have to do is win one trophy to call it a success and knowing Mourinho that trophy would be the Champions League. What's inconceivable is our board ever allowing it. He's their nightmare in every way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
For the CL, I'd put up with Moronio's shit. He can fuck off afterwards though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn