Wenger must go end of the season

[Fist of Lehmann]

Realistically what would we see with a different manager?

Are the board going to back this hypothetical new guy with more money? Or any money? Kroenke has already stated he's happy with the way the club is run and isn't looking to make any significant changes in that dept. And why should he? We are one of the few profit making clubs on the planet, and this is someone who invested his money, not for love, but for money.

And btw, anyone who thinks Usmanov is not motivated by money should bear in mind that when he bought shares he described us, not as a great club with an illustrious history and a massive potential to win things, but as a "nice portfolio addition".

Given that, what would a new manager have to play with? In raw materials, the same bunch of players, in money, the 5th largest wage bill in the Premiership. In terms of tactics and coaching, a different approach.

A new man can, and probably would re-balance the wage structure. More money at the top end, and less money for the second string. Logically that would mean that we would be able to attract better first choice 11 players, but worse second string. A better first 11 sounds great, until you consider our injury record and how reliant we are on the certain sections of the squad.

This year, fullbacks. Last year, centre backs. The year before, centre forwards.

According to Lady Arse we lead the league in injuries again. We've invested heavily in a new cutting edge medical centre last year, but we're yet to reap the rewards.

This will all be magically solved of course if you believe that it is Arsene's training methods, style of play or over-reliance on certain players are the cause (over-reliance which can only be exacerbated by having a large discrepancy between 1st 11 and 2nd string).

To sum up, dunno really.

[Coney]

Realistically what would we see with a different manager?

Are the board going to back this hypothetical new guy with more money? Or any money? Kroenke has already stated he's happy with the way the club is run and isn't looking to make any significant changes in that dept. And why should he? We are one of the few profit making clubs on the planet, and this is someone who invested his money, not for love, but for money.

And btw, anyone who thinks Usmanov is not motivated by money should bear in mind that when he bought shares he described us, not as a great club with an illustrious history and a massive potential to win things, but as a "nice portfolio addition".

Given that, what would a new manager have to play with? In raw materials, the same bunch of players, in money, the 5th largest wage bill in the Premiership. In terms of tactics and coaching, a different approach.

A new man can, and probably would re-balance the wage structure. More money at the top end, and less money for the second string. Logically that would mean that we would be able to attract better first choice 11 players, but worse second string. A better first 11 sounds great, until you consider our injury record and how reliant we are on the certain sections of the squad.

This year, fullbacks. Last year, centre backs. The year before, centre forwards.According to Lady Arse we lead the league in injuries again. We've invested heavily in a new cutting edge medical centre last year, but we're yet to reap the rewards.

This will all be magically solved of course if you believe that it is Arsene's training methods, style of play or over-reliance on certain players are the cause (over-reliance which can only be exacerbated by having a large discrepancy between 1st 11 and 2nd string).

To sum up, dunno really.

No - for me, it has been strikers that can score, year after year. While the defence has had cock-ups over the last 4 or 5 years (and I'm ignoring the tragic August this year as exceptionally shit and hopefully a one-off) the result has in the main just being that we dropped 2 points because we lost our 1 goal lead in the dying seconds, or lost from a drawing position for the same reason. However, time and again it should not have mattered because (if we had the tenacity of manu) we should have scored enough times that leaking the odd goal does not matter. And again, most times it happens against mediocre teams - and by rights of the amount of possession we should have been several goals up. This happens time and again, regardless of our defence being solid or crap.

Even in Henry's last season, there were no other players stepping up to take shots at goal. It has been the constant problem. When Henry left, I had though that the other players, who had been over-awed by him and who were almost forced to feed the ball for him to score, would then have that burden taken away and then start shooting and scoring. But they didn't. And bar RvP, that seems to me to have remained the case for the last 5+ years. Wenger seems OK with that. As soon as we are a goal up, we go all defensive and he even substitutes to do that. So time and again, we end up defending for the last 20-30 minutes inviting the opposition to score. And since we have no scorers of our own, even when we get a break, unless it is headed by RvP on a good day, fuck all happens.

If we had more players that could shoot and score, that would have the desired defensive effect because unlike now, the opposition could not take the risk of sending everyone up. At the moment, if they are a goal down, they don't need any players in their own half because we have all retreated to the back of our half to defend a flakey one goal lead.

And I haven't even mentioned 4-4-2 yet, where with 2 attackers ready to pounce, there is a defensive effect because the opposition is forced to keep players back. Well, actually I did in a way. With only one person (RvP) seemingly capable of shooting and scoring, 4-5-1 is the only possibility. And vice versa. And so on forever until something forces it to change. Like a manager who can put on a different record. Which means..... etc.

[Fist of Lehmann]

No - for me, it has been strikers that can score, year after year.

Say what?

That was a point made about how often we have to delve deep into our reserves because somehow we end up with masses of injuries in one position.

Nothing about why we haven't won anything.

[Coney]

Say what?

That was a point made about how often we have to delve deep into our reserves because somehow we end up with masses of injuries in one position.

Nothing about why we haven't won anything.

Sure. We do have that. But nevertheless, the inability to put the ball in the net is of far more significance. IMNSHO

[Fist of Lehmann]

Sure. We do have that. But nevertheless, the inability to put the ball in the net is of far more significance. IMNSHO

So...I make a point about how, in light of our injury record it's important to have a strong overall squad rather that a strong 11 and a weak 2nd 11...

...and you say...yes but, scoring goals! That's far more significant!

[Coney]

So...I make a point about how, in light of our injury record it's important to have a strong overall squad rather that a strong 11 and a weak 2nd 11...

...and you say...yes but, scoring goals! That's far more significant!

Are you suggesting that GW threads should be logical and stay on topic?

[Fist of Lehmann]

Are you suggesting that GW threads should be logical and stay on topic?

"It's not a disaster, but it would be nice if they could" - PHW

[Niall_Quinn]

Are you suggesting that GW threads should be logical and stay on topic?

Theo is shit.