Yep, he killed 6 million Jews which proves it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
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Yep, he killed 6 million Jews which proves it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
Let's be fair, David Cameron is the PM of Great Britain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
Cripps....if a guy at work uses a racial slur against you in the office to try and wind you up so you lose it and lose your job, are you going to make the same argument just because he works with colleagues of a different race?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
Common sense now!
I'm not defending Suarez. I'm just saying what he did isn't worse than Adams and Merson antics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
They could have killed themselves and others. Suarez said a bad word. Oh my, lets hang him.
Suarez is a **** but hopefully he'll be our **** soon
What about an office full of angels of goodness and harmony that makes its profits and pays the wages on the back of slave labour? How many verses of Kumbayah do you need to sing to make that okay?Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
The fact that you keep bringing up Adams and Merson just makes it worse. You are defending him and stop trying to downplay it and make out as if it was nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
If you want to make a case for him joining the club, the football speaks for itself. He's a great player and that's all you need to argue. Don't give me this shit about Adams or play it like the public are being too sensitive.
His words, "I'm not defending Suarez."Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
You, "You are defending him..."
Seems reasonable you would be best placed to know what he thinks so you have my vote.
And you preach night and day about corporate corruption. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
We both know you're full of shit!
Take a nap. You've had a long day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Most people are a little bit racist tbh.
Schmeichel shouted racist abuse at Wrighty and he's regarded as a legend and has since worked for the BBC.
It's a hobby, I got fired from my day job for treating gun shot victims with toothpaste. You should never neglect your teeth no matter the circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Which I guess makes Suarez your cousin?Quote:
Originally Posted by GayPete
:gp: reading some fans thoughts on twittter on this one, most agree that the racism can be forgiven as a one off comment in the heat of the moment situation, if he had apologised sincerely. most believe he hasnt ever offered a sincere apology to evra and his sense of injustice of it all is what peoples problem with him is. its mine too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
suarez as a player is fantastic, second best striker in england, we get him and our squad has jsut massively improved. suarez the person is a complete **** and prone to do something stupid. he could score you 30 goals in a season, he could also be banned 30 games. i think we need to sign him, no other striker who will make a statement like suarez would is avalible. (higuain has gone, rooney isnt as good as saurez) im excited we are willing to spend 40 million on a genunine world class player, im just not that excited its him.
Father's, brother's, sister's, cousin's, nephew's former roommate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
There ain't no black in the Union Jack
Should sing that when Suarez scores tbh
I lived next door. Small world.Quote:
Originally Posted by GayPete
You must be his uncles cousin's sister's brother's son they were always talking about. The one with the limp.
tonights daily mirror are saying that for the first time liverpool have admitted he is for sale but at 50 million only.
thats their first position weakened, by saying he is for sale has weakened them massively even if they say for 50 million only. next step is a transfer request, weakens them further. i reckon he will go around 45 million
That's just it. There is really no point in trying to sugarcoat the issue or defend his character. Its best just to focus on his skills as a player and what he could potentially bring to the team and leave it at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
So provided the people who disagree with you remain silent all is well? It can be left at that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
It's a generous offer, I'll have to think about it.
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n many respects, the setting that Ivan Gazidis chose for his declaration of Arsenal's transfer market intent at the beginning of last month only served to emphasis the dawn of the new era. If the boardroom at Highbury House feels as though it has been lifted from decades gone by, it is because, in essence, it has.
When the club moved from their old ground to the Emirates Stadium, English Heritage highlighted various aspects of architectural significance and they included the wood-panelling from the boardroom, the long table and the chairman's chair, which is actually more of a throne. So Arsenal took them all across, as they created a near-replica of the past in their home for the future. There are even dummy doors along one of the walls, which used to function when the old room was also the match-day lounge for directors. The sense of history is powerful. These walls have absorbed a lot of expensive cigar smoke and incredible hush-hush stories.
Gazidis's words on the afternoon of 6 June broke so sharply with tradition as to be startling and those that say the club's chief executive always talks the talk in the close-season and that this was nothing new must have had their grey matter depleted by the stress of following Arsenal. This was different. Here was the measured and meticulous, legally-trained and naturally cautious Gazidis promising that Arsenal were ready to "compete with any club in the world" to sign the very top players.
The example that was put to him and which he acknowledged was feasible was Wayne Rooney, but there appeared to be few limits. "We can do some things which would excite you," Gazidis said. "We can think about all kinds of things." Those things, it has now transpired, include the offer of £40m to Liverpool for Luis Suárez.
Gazidis explained that the "escalation" of the club's "financial firepower" was the result of renegotiated commercial deals and, once the mental arithmetic was done, it was possible to see that Arsène Wenger stood to receive an extra £70m each year to spend on transfers. The manager already has a substantial slush fund.
Gazidis was bullish, supremely assured and the thing was that he wanted it to be so public, which is most un-Arsenal-like. One interpretation was that he had an A-lister lined up with which to wow the supporters. We now know that this was not the case, although it did emerge two weeks later that Arsenal had agreed personal terms in principle with the Real Madrid striker Gonzalo Higuaín, if not a fee with his employer.
It was easy to imagine that Gazidis was sending a message to Wenger, which ran along the following lines: 'I've done all I can on the commercial side. The financial platform is in place. Over to you. Please spend some money.'
Wenger has attempted to dilute the levels of expectation during the club's pre-season tour of east Asia. He has spoken of adding "one or two players who will give us something more," and of a difficult market in Europe, where there is "a lot of money and not many players." Yet the horse has bolted and, from Gazidis's and Wenger's point of view, there is an almighty rod to support the back.
Wenger's move for Suárez is sensational, not only because Arsenal have never paid a fee of more than the £15m they spent to take Andrey Arshavin from Zenit St Petersburg in 2009. Suárez is the best player at a rival Premier League club; Liverpool have, unsurprisingly, blocked his sale and, as such, the situation has become strained. Arsenal know what it is like to lose their best player to a domestic rival, having been powerless to prevent Robin van Persie's transfer to Manchester United last summer. They intend to lace the boot to the other foot and do the kicking.
It is, though, the divisiveness which Suárez inspires that has spiced the tale. Some Arsenal fans see a player whose on-field indiscretions read like a crime-sheet and conclude that a club of their varnished-oak dignity ought to have nothing to do with him. But others prefer to focus on the talent that has put the 26-year-old in the world-class bracket; the touch, the balance, the vision, the goals. Watching Suárez live, when his off-the-ball movement can be fully appreciated, is one of the game's true pleasures.
Suárez is a family man, who is married to his childhood sweetheart and he is simply considered to be a nice bloke by his Liverpool team-mates. Those that know him from his previous clubs speak well of him, too. "He likes to laugh and he likes to joke," said Tottenham Hotspur's Jan Vertonghen, who played with Suárez at Ajax. The Arsenal captain, Thomas Vermaelen, also knows and respects him from the Dutch club.
There would be no issues in the Arsenal dressing room were Suárez to sign, partly because players are a worldly bunch, concerned purely with whether somebody will put it in for them. Almost to a man during the current tour, Arsenal's squad have spoken of their desire to see high quality additions. They would love it were Suárez to join.
There is also the school of thought that a player of Suárez's win-at-all-costs mentality is precisely what Arsenal need. The Uruguayan has admitted that something changes inside him when he crosses the white line and he feels the competitive juices; something that makes him prepared to push the boundaries of what is thought to be acceptable. Have Arsenal, trophyless since 2005, been guilty of being too nice? As an aside on morality in football (such as it is), it is remarkable how supporters can turn as soon as a player changes teams.
Arsenal will sit back to watch the effects of their bid. The next move must surely come from Suárez. The offer was of one pound over £40m and Arsenal have been encouraged to believe that it will trigger a clause in Suárez's contract whereby he is permitted to seek the transfer. Arsenal's inclusion of the extra £1 felt provocative.
Liverpool maintain that they must merely inform Suárez of the interest in the event of a club bidding more than £40m for him, although it is a stretch to think that he does not already know about it. In that case, the clause would appear pointless and Suárez's agent, Pere Guardiola, would surely not have bothered to insert it.
Wenger is rolling the dice hard for a player who will be banned for the first six domestic matches of the season, a carry-over from his punishment last April for biting Chelsea's Branislav Ivanovic. Wenger has spoken of a potentially more "open" title race, with the two Manchester clubs and Chelsea adjusting to new managers and the move for Suárez reflects the desire to capitalise.
Conspiracy theorists have also seen it as a final roll, as Wenger enters the last season of his contract. He suggested in May that he knew Sir Alex Ferguson would retire at the end of the season as soon as he paid £24m to take Van Persie to Old Trafford. Wenger's words have come to feature a rich sub-text.
What is clear, however, is that the consequences of Arsenal failing to land a marquee target are unthinkable. The nightmare scenario for them sees Rooney moving to Chelsea, Higuaín going to Napoli, and Madrid, having bided their time, nipping in to get Suárez next month. Arsenal's new era is not free of uncertainty.
this is an article from the guardian this afternoon. i think its spot on. its a brilliant read and covers the suarez issue very well IMO
Our position hasn't changed; we have said [never directly obviously, officially he's not for sale... ha] that we would consider bids of around £50m. In fact I just read an article from the end of May which is playing pretty much how it is now; we would consider bids of around £50m, he has a clause in his contract at £40m that allows him to speak to other clubs if he so wishes but he would have to put in a transfer request to force our hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Whether we get that or not, who knows. We probably won't, and we probably never expected to.
Feel free to try and sugarcoat Suarez if you wish. I've said it's hypocritcal. You especially shouldn't be preaching about bigger ethical issues if you're able to whitewash this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
i think though if liverpool expected bids, they would be from madrid or barcelona and they would pay the silly money. i dont think they ever imagined that the only serious bid, one which activvates the clause, would come from Arsenal. nor that suarez would want to talk to them, seem open to joining them. (which i believe he is otherwise he wouldnt want to talk us at all)Quote:
Originally Posted by Suarez Is Boss
independent going with the story that suarez and his people believe it is a release clause not a clause that they can talk to him
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The Liverpool striker Luis Suarez is expected to tell Brendan Rodgers tomorrow that he wants to speak officially to Arsenal about a move following their bid of £40m plus £1, which the player believes obliges Liverpool to sell.
Suarez and his agent, Pere Guardiola, brother of the Bayern Munich manager Pep, have worked on the understanding that a clause in the player’s contract states that Liverpool’s failure this season to secure Champions League football means any bid in excess of £40m from a club in the competition would require Liverpool to sell the player. They are mystified as to why Liverpool have rejected the Arsenal bid out of hand.
In private, Arsenal believe that the offer is adequate for them to be allowed to talk to Suarez. They made the bid specifically on the understanding that it would force the issue.
The Gunners are set to miss out on their second option, the Real Madrid striker Gonzalo Higuain, as he and Liverpool goalkeeper Pepe Reina both passed their medicals with Napoli today. While there are obvious fears that Higuain moving to Italy could trigger a bid from Real for Suarez – leaving Arsenal hunting for a new striker – the Uruguayan’s position is that he does not have a preference for Madrid. Arsenal are aware that they are playing a delicate game of negotiation but are confident that they can get Suarez.
Napoli are thought to have an agreement with Real Madrid to buy Higuain for £31m, more than Arsenal have offered, with that deal now expected to be completed.
There is no guarantee that, even with the proceeds from Higuain’s sale, Madrid would outbid Arsenal for Suarez and, as is their way, the Spanish club would probably try to make one of their unwanted players part of the deal.
A day of tension between the two Premier League clubs ended with Suarez making his first appearance for Liverpool – on tour in Melbourne, Australia – since he bit Branislav Ivanovic on the arm at Anfield on 21 April. A 72nd-minute substitute, he set up the second goal for Iago Aspas in a 2-0 Liverpool win over Melbourne Victory in front of 95,446 fans at the MCG.
After the game, Rodgers said he was not surprised that a player of Suarez’s calibre should attract big-money offers from rival clubs but that the Uruguayan should remember how the Liverpool fans have stuck by him despite all the controversy that has engulfed him at times.
“I think the support that he’s received from the supporters and the people of the city of Liverpool has been unrivalled,” Rodgers said.
“In the period of time, he’s missed a lot of games for the club through various reasons. And the people have stood by him like a son and really looked after him.
“So I’m sure whatever happens in the coming weeks, that will be in his mind because it’s certainly something you can never forget.”
The expectation is that the player will tell Liverpool that he wants to leave and would accept a move to Arsenal. Should an offer of that size, or greater, be accepted by Liverpool it would break Arsenal’s record transfer fee by some margin. The club’s record transfer has never been clear but is thought to be the 2009 deal for Andrei Arshavin, worth more than £15m.
In response to Arsenal’s offer, the principal owner of Liverpool, John W Henry, provoked a considerable response when he tweeted: “What do you think they’re smoking over there at Emirates?” The club have stated consistently that Suarez, who is four games into a 10-match ban for biting Ivanovic, is not for sale and it is clear that if he is to leave then it will require the player to force the situation.
Beyond Suarez and Higuain, Arsenal have a much-reduced set of options, possibly including the Manchester City striker Edin Dzeko. Wayne Rooney, another target, is the focus of Chelsea’s remaining activity in the window and they have always been determined to out-bid Arsenal for the player should Manchester United consent to sell.
Don't rule out Madrid just yet. They've got more money from the Higuain sale. It seems as though most news stories are pointing towards the signing of Bale and let's hope it stays that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
yeah i think they will go for bale first, felt all summer he has been their target, actually felt that ever since they set up that partnership with spurs last summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
i alos wouldnt be surprised if liverpool sold suarez to madrid for less then they want from us
also isnt it nice that for once, a summer saga is us buying someone elses best player not us selling ours? it feels quite odd, a good odd though. hope it stays like this for many years
Whitewash? Bit racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
But I'm okay with going along with your plan and ignoring everything except the football. Cheers for suggesting it, your whitewash is much better than mine.
I do hope we are working on other deals which are a little more sensible.
This all just seems so un-arsenal.
I personally would relish the signing of Bernard, and bringing Cesc home (if we can find a way).
Then maybe a few squad fillers.
Seems there's some 3rd party ownership deal with Bernard, which could prevent him coming to England.
bringing cesc home would be awesome, that depnds on united though. they get a bid accepted, im certain wenger will step in and get him. especially for 25 million.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
it does seem un arsenal you are right, but i think we could do with just three signings. bernard, cesc, suarez. i do rate our current squad, it just needs that extra world class quality. cesc and suarez give that, bernard is just a better gervinho.
if we get cesc and suarez this window, we win the league.
Bugger :(Quote:
Originally Posted by GayPete
both the telegraph and independant are tonight reporting that suarez and his camp are convinced the 40 million clause, is that any bid of 40 million or above from a club in he champions league must be accepted and are mystified liverpool rejected it.
tribunal anyone?
Pretty much agree, Suarez deal isn't realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Not too fussed about Cesc but Bernard would be a good exciting signing for me.
has anyone done a u turn quicker then you? before yesterday you wanted world class players and wenger to spend the money. after the 40 million bid for suarez, you dont want us to spend the money on a world class striker but instead now sign bernard, who no one knows much about and most i reckon havnt heard of him before the links appeared this week. you've gone from wanting world class players and spending the money to devolping exciting talent in 24 hours. impressiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
Exactly right. If (when) the Suarez deal falls through there better be other options or it will be a tough season. Suarez alone won't be able to make up a 16 points so there needs to be more activity anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
FFS do you never ever read what others write?Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
How many times do I have to explain the same thing?
It doesn't help matters when chief negotiator wenger is in the far east. And Gazidis aswell. I know dick law is meant to be dealing with transfer negotiations, but wenger needs to be there for the final persuasion.
Well Suarez is in Australia anyway...Quote:
Originally Posted by Edinburgh Gooner
its quite clear what going from saying "you are lving in cloud cuckoo land, wenger would never bid 40 million for a player" to "what the fuck wenger, dont spend 40 million on one player. spend less and get more players in"Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
last week, i said suarez wasnt worth more then 40 million, you said that was the going rate for world class strikers. you also said, when i was syaing it was wise to buy three players last year, taht it wasnt, that we needed a world class striker and that you prefered to watch world class players then devolping players.
you are now saying the exact opposite. you've changed completely as soon as one story came out. its very clear what you are doing