Is There Corruption By Match Officials In The Premier League

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Systematic and organised corruption by the FA? Probably not.

However are certain clubs getting more favourable decisions than others because of their status. Yes.

And are certain refs letting their personal bias influence their decision making. Yes.


I said it in the match thread but the following refs need to be investigated and their and their family and friends finance's audited. It would not surprise me if a "distant cousin once removed" was getting mysterious payments via their Caymann Islands savings account.

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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

Mike Riley
Steve Bennett
Mike Dean
Phil Dowd
Graham Poll


All fucking bent as a fiddler's elbow.

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I'll throw Martin Atkinson in there as well. He's always been a bit dodgy.

And it's pretty despicable that one of the biggest cheats on that list has managed to worm his way up to the position of referee appointer for the PL.

Lee Mason?

Or he could just be fat.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Lee Mason?

Or he could just be fat.

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I regard the likes of Lee Mason, Mike Jones, Howard Webb and Anthony Taylor as just incompetent rather than corrupt.



They seem to thick too pull something like that off.

too thick to

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Originally Posted by LDG

Lee Mason?

Or he could just be fat.

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Look into the mirror bro. :run:

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Originally Posted by Letters

It's weird how corruption always favours the best teams.
Apart from when it was us of course, then it was just us being awlsome and being the best despite all the corruption working against us
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Corruption follows the money. Back in the day it was utd, then chavs, now it's man city.
They had/have all the buzz and media backing, so naturally corruption follows where it can make the most gains.

When we were good and winning, we were pretty much hated by mostly everyone else. We've always been the underdogs, no one wanted us to win anything especially goin the whole season unbeaten.

It was against the norm and we also didn't have continuous and sustained success, it was a bit more patchy, a title here an fa cup there, etc.

Man U had the consistency and generated the most money and interest.

Come on letters, even you can understand that.

Paranoia :haha:

There's definitely no corruption in the richest and most popular league in the world.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Paranoia :haha:

There's definitely no corruption in the richest and most popular league in the world.

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Are "there's no corruption" and "the refs and media are always anti-Arsenal" the only two options?

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Originally Posted by Letters

Are "there's no corruption" and "the refs and media are always anti-Arsenal" the only two options?

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Who's said they're anti-Arsenal.

Only you've said that.

Corruption's not the same thing as weakness and bias, so no.

Also, why do we never hear talk of officials in other sports (that use technology to help make their decisions) getting things wrong on a regular basis?

Are tennis matches talked about because of how well the competitors played or about how the umpire called a game wrong?

Rugby?
Cricket?

Yes sometimes, there have been cases where a player might question a decision, but after a replay or technological evidence is used, the matter is cleared up instantly one way or another. But accurately and most importantly, correctly.

You cannot say the same about football.

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Originally Posted by IBK

Corruption's not the same thing as weakness and bias, so no.

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Weakness, no I agree.

But bias?

Of course it is. Not necessarily for financial gain but in some sense it is still corruption.

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Originally Posted by IBK

Corruption's not the same thing as weakness and bias, so no.

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Weakness is often a symptom of corruption and bias is one of the purest forms of corruption because you don't even need to be paid to undermine a system or principle.

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

Also, why do we never hear talk of officials in other sports (that use technology to help make their decisions) getting things wrong on a regular basis?

Are tennis matches talked about because of how well the competitors played or about how the umpire called a game wrong?

Rugby?
Cricket?

Yes sometimes, there have been cases where a player might question a decision, but after a replay or technological evidence is used, the matter is cleared up instantly one way or another. But accurately and most importantly, correctly.

You cannot say the same about football.

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You only get 3 challenges a set in tennis, so yes there's plenty of mistakes, people don't go on about it because unlike football fans they don't believe corruption exists.

Again with Cricket they have limited use of technology and there's plenty of mistakes and there's been corruption in Cricket yet people don't point the finger at official calling them corrupt.

NQ said it better than me :good:

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Originally Posted by Özim

You only get 3 challenges a set in tennis, so yes there's plenty of mistakes, people don't go on about it because unlike football fans they don't believe corruption exists.

Again with Cricket they have limited use of technology and there's plenty of mistakes and there's been corruption in Cricket yet people don't point the finger at official calling them corrupt.

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Of course there are.

That's all I ever hear from tennis, cricket and rugby fans. Every game it's the same thing 'the umpires/refs are shite', 'that was never a.....' etc, etc.

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

Of course there are.

That's all I ever hear from tennis, cricket and rugby fans. Every game it's the same thing 'the umpires/refs are shite', 'that was never a.....' etc, etc.

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That's nonsense sorry, I watch a lot of tennis and noone ever claims the officials are corrupt (well other than Jeff Tarango when he wasn't happy about a decision).

Fans seem obsessed with it in football, I guess football fans like to play the victims more than tennis fans, if it doesn't go your way it's because the officials are corrupt or biased against you.

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Originally Posted by Özim

That's nonsense sorry, I watch a lot of tennis and noone ever claims the officials are corrupt (well other than Jeff Tarango when he wasn't happy about a decision).

Fans seem obsessed with it in football, I guess football fans like to play the victims more than tennis fans.

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I was being sarcastic.

The reason fans don't call them corrupt is because mistakes are few and far between. There are some yes, but they don't happen with the frequent regularity that they do in football.

There's also only so much they can get wrong in sports where technology is used to its full extent.

There is fuck all in football, and so we just have to trust in shit like 'the refs interpretation' and 'judgement'.

You know, the same sort of amateur crap that used to happen in playground football.

You have to try to filter out the natural and commendable bias of the fans to spot cheating. I say cheating because I think some people believe money has to change hands before you can call it corruption. That ref's blatant cheating in the Newcastle/ City match probably had every fan in the country scratching their head. If that really was a mistake then that ref has to be banned forever. Dowd in the 4-4 with Newcastle, again blatant cheating. The ref in the chav/ Barcelona match, blatant cheating. RvP being sent off against Barcelona, blatant cheating. That's off the top of my head, there will be countless other examples. These weren't just mistakes - that's like me shooting somebody in the face and claiming incompetence with firearms. What was I doing with the gun in the first place and why are these referees even allowed on the pitch? Can't we find any competent people to do the job? Are we even looking or are the turds we have convenient? I think they are. Best place of all to hide corruption is in a sea of incompetence. You see the same thing with politicians.

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

I was being sarcastic.

The reason fans don't call them corrupt is because mistakes are few and far between. There are some yes, but they don't happen with the frequent regularity that they do in football.

There's also only so much they can get wrong in sports where technology is used to its full extent.

There is fuck all in football, and so we just have to trust in shit like 'the refs interpretation' and 'judgement'.

You know, the same sort of amateur crap that used to happen in playground football.

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That's not necessarily true either, I've seen matches where there's been 3 clear errors in a game, there's errors as well as technology is only used to add to the drama, like I said 3 challenges a set per player.

Errors in tennis are more clear cut, it's either in or out, in football it's not quite that simple, players fall over like they've been shot (cheat) and referees are running up and down the pitch seeing incidents from allsorts of angle, the fans are screaming for decisions, I'm sure it's not that easy, in tennis they have lots of personnel and they don't have to move so it's harder to make mistakes and they only have to watch the ball.

Like I said though in tennis technology is used to add to the spectacle not to replace the officials, it's got a limited use.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

You have to try to filter out the natural and commendable bias of the fans to spot cheating. I say cheating because I think some people believe money has to change hands before you can call it corruption. That ref's blatant cheating in the Newcastle/ City match probably had every fan in the country scratching their head. If that really was a mistake then that ref has to be banned forever. Dowd in the 4-4 with Newcastle, again blatant cheating. The ref in the chav/ Barcelona match, blatant cheating. RvP being sent off against Barcelona, blatant cheating. That's off the top of my head, there will be countless other examples. These weren't just mistakes - that's like me shooting somebody in the face and claiming incompetence with firearms. What was I doing with the gun in the first place and why are these referees even allowed on the pitch? Can't we find any competent people to do the job? Are we even looking or are the turds we have convenient? I think they are. Best place of all to hide corruption is in a sea of incompetence. You see the same thing with politicians.

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Absolutely, spot on.

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Originally Posted by Özim

That's not necessarily true either, I've seen matches where there's been 3 clear errors in a game, there's errors as well as technology is only used to add to the drama, like I said 3 challenges a set per player.

Errors in tennis are more clear cut, it's either in or out, in football it's not quite that simple, players fall over like they've been shot (cheat) and referees are running up and down the pitch seeing incidents from allsorts of angle, the fans are screaming for decisions, I'm sure it's not that easy, in tennis they have lots of personnel and they don't have to move so it's harder to make mistakes and they only have to watch the ball.

Like I said though in tennis technology is used to add to the spectacle not to replace the officials, it's got a limited use.

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I would say it's harder to see if a small yellow ball travelling at 100 mph has landed one side of a line or not.

When a ref is in clear view of someone tripping another player in the box and not touching the ball and then waving for 'no penalty' is just ignoring the rules and cheating.

Also watching a player bang in a 30 yarder that is a clear goal in any other game on any other weekend of football, then running over to the linesman for a chat and declaring it 'offside' is cheating.

It's really time for the excuses for these so called 'professionally trained' referee's to stop.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

You have to try to filter out the natural and commendable bias of the fans to spot cheating. I say cheating because I think some people believe money has to change hands before you can call it corruption. That ref's blatant cheating in the Newcastle/ City match probably had every fan in the country scratching their head. If that really was a mistake then that ref has to be banned forever. Dowd in the 4-4 with Newcastle, again blatant cheating. The ref in the chav/ Barcelona match, blatant cheating. RvP being sent off against Barcelona, blatant cheating. That's off the top of my head, there will be countless other examples. These weren't just mistakes - that's like me shooting somebody in the face and claiming incompetence with firearms. What was I doing with the gun in the first place and why are these referees even allowed on the pitch? Can't we find any competent people to do the job? Are we even looking or are the turds we have convenient? I think they are. Best place of all to hide corruption is in a sea of incompetence. You see the same thing with politicians.

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That is a top top top post.

in other news the world famous former United referee. Howard Webb, has again been selected to ruin another world cup. No news yet on whether the die hard United apostle Phil Dowd will also carry his pot belly to Brazil

http://www.declanhill.com/

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Originally Posted by Mr. Lahey

http://www.declanhill.com/

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Interesting site, thanks.

"Here is the rub for any thinking British football fan. The response by the British Football Associations to match-fixing has been so bad that FIFA is far better. Imagine. FIFA the association almost synonymously with corruption scandals is better at fighting match-fixing than British Football Associations. Sigh. Says it all really."
http://www.declanhill.com/blog/item/...ews-and-a-sigh

I am now genuinely convinced there is no corruption in the EPL.

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Originally Posted by JonasTC

We all know their is corruption in FIFA and UEFA, we just dont know how far it stretches out, does it go all the way down to the refs at times?

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One would be naive in the extreme to think it couldn't happen, I think it depends on the occasion on when it actually does happen

corruption, incompetence and blatant cheating by most refs now in the league

Yep; I agree.

Just think for a second here, the chief of the match officials is the same guy who awarded Man ure that pel in 2004 and subsequently ended our run. He was bent as fuck back then.

The unholy trinity. Demonstrably, in your face, Blatteresque corruption at top of the game. These are the people setting the standards and direction for the game. Then you have television and the billions of quid the likes of Murdoch chuck into the game. This is the guy who bugs the phones of parents of dead children. Finally gambling. You could always go down to the bookies and have a flutter, but now you have the bookies sponsoring the sport and technology allows millions to be harvested from the fans every game. These are the people and organisations setting the tone.

So do we have corruption in football? It would be a miracle if we didn't. Add in the grubby criminals that have been allowed to buy up the clubs. Chuck millions at the kids who are playing the game. Money, money, money. It's the cancer that destroys everything it touches. Football has become another ingredient of a corrupted society, led by self serving crooks and exploiting the inertia of a fan base that still concerns itself with competition and loyalty and endeavour and achievement and all that other prehistoric stuff.

The refs are problem, no doubt. But a minor one compared to the monumental problems the game faces. Controversy sells. In this respect the refs are doing a great job for their paymasters. Wittingly or unwittingly in service of the few at the expense of the many. Instead of developing technology to further exploit fans that have already been raped by runaway costs we could have had technology to assist refs in making those split second decisions someone like Collini could somehow make but the PL lot can't manage. But that would spoil everything. In a way it's a good decision. Because now we have dopers infecting every league how could they be defeated if the ref managed to get every call right? Everything in the game has to be fixed at once if we want to get back to real sport.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

The unholy trinity. Demonstrably, in your face, Blatteresque corruption at top of the game. These are the people setting the standards and direction for the game. Then you have television and the billions of quid the likes of Murdoch chuck into the game. This is the guy who bugs the phones of parents of dead children. Finally gambling. You could always go down to the bookies and have a flutter, but now you have the bookies sponsoring the sport and technology allows millions to be harvested from the fans every game. These are the people and organisations setting the tone.

So do we have corruption in football? It would be a miracle if we didn't. Add in the grubby criminals that have been allowed to buy up the clubs. Chuck millions at the kids who are playing the game. Money, money, money. It's the cancer that destroys everything it touches. Football has become another ingredient of a corrupted society, led by self serving crooks and exploiting the inertia of a fan base that still concerns itself with competition and loyalty and endeavour and achievement and all that other prehistoric stuff.

The refs are problem, no doubt. But a minor one compared to the monumental problems the game faces. Controversy sells. In this respect the refs are doing a great job for their paymasters. Wittingly or unwittingly in service of the few at the expense of the many. Instead of developing technology to further exploit fans that have already been raped by runaway costs we could have had technology to assist refs in making those split second decisions someone like Collini could somehow make but the PL lot can't manage. But that would spoil everything. In a way it's a good decision. Because now we have dopers infecting every league how could they be defeated if the ref managed to get every call right? Everything in the game has to be fixed at once if we want to get back to real sport.

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Nail on the fuckin' head

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