Why is he uninspiring? Is it because he costs less? Or because he played for us before? Or is it because he is Mexican? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
His stats are among the best out there... so to me, its a great buy!
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Why is he uninspiring? Is it because he costs less? Or because he played for us before? Or is it because he is Mexican? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
His stats are among the best out there... so to me, its a great buy!
Is he the guy to take up the Wright, Bergkamp, Henry role and propel us up a level through his sheer brilliance? If yes, then great.
If no then, when are we making a proper signing?
Would Draxler or Griezmann count as a 'proper signing'?
Should provide proper cover down that right flank for a crocked Theo.
The problem with vela is that, whilst yes, he is a nice and cheap signing if we do get him back and would be a good squad addition, there is a reason why he left in the first place.
Don't forget he also went out on loan the season before he left as well and still couldnt cut it in the PL.
He may have been playing well in Spain and have some good lookin stats, but it's a different climate and different style in Spain than it is over here.
He may well come in and perform just as well as he has been doing, or he may need some time to re-adapt to the PL and not be as great.
Either way, he isn't anywhere near the level or player we need to push us on and turn us into title winners
That's understandable and he's not the one player that will make that difference to our title run but would Griezmann or Draxler be that difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
I just don't see it and it will take more than one major signing to get us over that title hurdle. Vela record in the Prem isn't good because he never played. He only started 8 games when he went on loan to West Brom. That's not enough to form an overall opinion. I think if he were given the sort of chance given to Ramsey, Wilshere, Gibbs, Walcott, young players that struggled but Wenger kept giving game time, we might have seen a better outcome.
If we're going to talk about the Spanish league's quality, then we may need to adjust our expectations of Measut Ozil and maybe think twice about certain other players we've been linked with.
It's not about the Spanish leagues quality. It's just a different game to the PL in terms of style, tolerance, etc.
A completely different climate to the PL in nearly all aspects.
Vela played plenty of games for us, not starting admittedly, but how many times did he start for west brom?
Maybe he didn't start and wasn't given the chances because he couldn't quite cut it....??? It's not unreasonable to suggest that to be the case.
Wenger clearly still saw something in him, hence the buy back clause. Maybe he needed to see if Vela could find his own way of sorting himself out, who knows.
I'm not dismissing him at all, as at £3.5m it's a bloody stupidly good deal!
However, griezman is clearly going to be an awsome player, but the jury is out on draxler.
I would say that based on the first time round, vela possibly won't be as good here as he is in Spain.
There are some reports that have him saying he wants to stay in Spain, so that may tell you all you need to know before it has even been confirmed one way or another.
Some sites reporting that we are in negotiations for Jackson Martinez for £30m.
He would be my first choice tbh.
Also seen an article on caught offside, that we are set to make a u turn with regards to the Cesc buyback clause......
Who knows wtf is goin on tbh :shrug:
Probably this......followed by Arsene commentating on the world cup....he'll be too busy to make signings :arry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
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Did that start with Pod saying..."Just one drink Arsene baby, what could go wrong?" :ninja:Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Oh and reports Vela doesn't want to come back :haha: <_< :blink:
It's different in Spain but I think it's unfair to say Vela's flourishing because of the league and not make that same distinction for Griezmann who plays in the same team and league. Why is he bound to be an awesome player?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
Vela played 62 games for us. I don't know how many of them he started but I it wasn't a lot from what I recall. When I consider the amount of starts Denilson had and see that it can take a full season in the first team to see a players true potential (Ramsey) I don't think it's enough. As for his loan spell with West Brom, you should probably check out the amount of games Gibbs, Ramsey and Wilshere played when they were loaned out during a January window. Vela played 8 games but got 2 goals and 1 assist. Know idea how many games he started but it's not bad considering Wilshere played 14 games for Bolton. Unless it's a season long loan, I don't recall any of our players racking up huge appearance numbers.
Either way, that was then this is now. He might just be finding his feet at the right time. His international record for Mexico as a youth was always impressive. No idea if he wants to come back considering recent reports but he's an example of what annoys me about our youth development system.
Obviously we can't dismiss the change in league and environment as one of the causes of his improvement as a player - I'm sure it played a big part at a key time for him when he needed a change. But isn't it equally (or more) likely that what we're seeing is simply the difference between an inexperienced teenager who was still learning the game, and a more experienced player in his mid-twenties, who has been a regular at a top-level club for several years, and has had a chance to develop?
Or that he's cheap, and his wage demands aren't those of Chav Fabregas?Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
Indeed, rightly or wrongly he wasn't given much of an opportunity in the first team here (and I don't count an odd 15 minute sub appearance here and there as an opportunity). Players like Cesc and Ramsey needed plenty of time and patience before they started producing the goods, so it's a bit unfair to say that Vela failed in the premier league when he didn't even get an opportunity to fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
That said, I'm not so sure Vela is the right player for us. He's a similar type of player to Theo who is basically a wide CF who plays off the shoulder of the opponent's defence, but doesn't get involved much in the build up to the attack. That's not a bad thing necessarily but IMO we need someone who can take the game to the opponent and impose himself on the game more as well as making the runs in behind, and Theo and Vela aren't that type of player.
turn down resigning Cesc but resign Vela.... i can see it now.
I think we need both: one player who provides competition / cover for Walcott, and another player who's more like Oxlade-Chamberlain who runs at opponents and gets involved in the build up. The ideal balance for me would be to have one of each type of player on the wings each week. I know there's also Gnabry to think about, but I'm not sure I'd be comfortable having him and the Ox as our two options for the runners - the two of them together would just be a little too raw for my liking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
(Incidentally, this is one of the reasons why I think Vela for £3.5m makes a tremendous amount of sense - because we won't be able to spend big on every area we need to buy for this summer, and this could make the difference between getting just one of those players and maybe being able to get both?)
Getting the left-overs as usual. Richest guy in the house, rummaging in the bins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
I'm not buying into the Vela back to Arsenal deal at this point. It's a straight forward deal, even by our criminally low standards so is there any reason why if it is true it should not happen soon?
Because vela doesn't want to come back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Vela is quality and much better than when he left us. I never wanted to sell him.
Would be great to have him back and at a bargain price. He's more of a winger than a striker and we don't have many wingers.
Depends if he represents the sum total of our striker activity in this transfer window. If yes, then it's an epic disaster. If no, and he's here to literally chip in with +1s from the bench, okay, fine. But sticking the £3.5mill onto a contract for Fabregas would have made 1.5million percent times more sense.
3 million quid is a no brainer, we buy unknown kids for more than that.
Move to other football /thread.
Why add the clause in the first place? Pointless.
A huge surprise we went for the option which involved us getting marginally richer.
Money is rolling in boys! Shaping up to be a bumper summer.
Stan was on the phone earlier and said if the GW lads could chip together for Campell's air fare and cover his accommodation costs he's okay with bringing him in. He hinted if we don't have the money he might be prepared to take the shirts off our backs instead.
We are such dicks to deal with.
Tbh that was a pretty amazing deal from us. Did we get £8m + the original £3m they paid us so £11m in total for Mr Chips? A squad player that nobody minded us selling?Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Dick Law is The Law.
Except I'd rather we had Vela, he's really improved since he left us.
So we're cashing in on Vela now, a player worth way more than the 11 million we're getting. :rolleyes:
We're just getting our 42 million we spent on Ozil back at the moment, whoopeef*ckingdoo!
Well, tbf, I don't really think getting £8m for a player that we already sold is bad business. It's, like, free money. The only bone of contention is whether it was better to buy him back.
If we get a top striker I won't mind this as I'd quite like to see Campbell come in as 3rd choice this season.
He's worth a hefty amount now, we could get him for 3 million and sell him on for twice that in a year if we want to. He's a very good player though and could be handy.
The only downside of it is , apparently , we want to go for an unknown and inexperienced right back for this deal instead of Antoine Griezmann . If it is not a trick to fool our rivals , it would be very naif and silly to miss out on Griezmann for this deal . He is the next Robert Pires and won't come cheap later .Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg