Carlos Vela

[Power n Glory]

It's not about the Spanish leagues quality. It's just a different game to the PL in terms of style, tolerance, etc.
A completely different climate to the PL in nearly all aspects.

Vela played plenty of games for us, not starting admittedly, but how many times did he start for west brom?
Maybe he didn't start and wasn't given the chances because he couldn't quite cut it....??? It's not unreasonable to suggest that to be the case.

Wenger clearly still saw something in him, hence the buy back clause. Maybe he needed to see if Vela could find his own way of sorting himself out, who knows.

I'm not dismissing him at all, as at £3.5m it's a bloody stupidly good deal!
However, griezman is clearly going to be an awsome player, but the jury is out on draxler.

I would say that based on the first time round, vela possibly won't be as good here as he is in Spain.

There are some reports that have him saying he wants to stay in Spain, so that may tell you all you need to know before it has even been confirmed one way or another.

It's different in Spain but I think it's unfair to say Vela's flourishing because of the league and not make that same distinction for Griezmann who plays in the same team and league. Why is he bound to be an awesome player?

Vela played 62 games for us. I don't know how many of them he started but I it wasn't a lot from what I recall. When I consider the amount of starts Denilson had and see that it can take a full season in the first team to see a players true potential (Ramsey) I don't think it's enough. As for his loan spell with West Brom, you should probably check out the amount of games Gibbs, Ramsey and Wilshere played when they were loaned out during a January window. Vela played 8 games but got 2 goals and 1 assist. Know idea how many games he started but it's not bad considering Wilshere played 14 games for Bolton. Unless it's a season long loan, I don't recall any of our players racking up huge appearance numbers.

Either way, that was then this is now. He might just be finding his feet at the right time. His international record for Mexico as a youth was always impressive. No idea if he wants to come back considering recent reports but he's an example of what annoys me about our youth development system.

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Obviously we can't dismiss the change in league and environment as one of the causes of his improvement as a player - I'm sure it played a big part at a key time for him when he needed a change. But isn't it equally (or more) likely that what we're seeing is simply the difference between an inexperienced teenager who was still learning the game, and a more experienced player in his mid-twenties, who has been a regular at a top-level club for several years, and has had a chance to develop?

[Injury Time]

Obviously we can't dismiss the change in league and environment as one of the causes of his improvement as a player - I'm sure it played a big part at a key time for him when he needed a change. But isn't it equally (or more) likely that what we're seeing is simply the difference between an inexperienced teenager who was still learning the game, and a more experienced player in his mid-twenties, who has been a regular at a top-level club for several years, and has had a chance to develop?

Or that he's cheap, and his wage demands aren't those of Chav Fabregas?

[Penguin]

Obviously we can't dismiss the change in league and environment as one of the causes of his improvement as a player - I'm sure it played a big part at a key time for him when he needed a change. But isn't it equally (or more) likely that what we're seeing is simply the difference between an inexperienced teenager who was still learning the game, and a more experienced player in his mid-twenties, who has been a regular at a top-level club for several years, and has had a chance to develop?

Indeed, rightly or wrongly he wasn't given much of an opportunity in the first team here (and I don't count an odd 15 minute sub appearance here and there as an opportunity). Players like Cesc and Ramsey needed plenty of time and patience before they started producing the goods, so it's a bit unfair to say that Vela failed in the premier league when he didn't even get an opportunity to fail.

That said, I'm not so sure Vela is the right player for us. He's a similar type of player to Theo who is basically a wide CF who plays off the shoulder of the opponent's defence, but doesn't get involved much in the build up to the attack. That's not a bad thing necessarily but IMO we need someone who can take the game to the opponent and impose himself on the game more as well as making the runs in behind, and Theo and Vela aren't that type of player.

[Bumble]

turn down resigning Cesc but resign Vela.... i can see it now.

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Indeed, rightly or wrongly he wasn't given much of an opportunity in the first team here (and I don't count an odd 15 minute sub appearance here and there as an opportunity). Players like Cesc and Ramsey needed plenty of time and patience before they started producing the goods, so it's a bit unfair to say that Vela failed in the premier league when he didn't even get an opportunity to fail.

That said, I'm not so sure Vela is the right player for us. He's a similar type of player to Theo who is basically a wide CF who plays off the shoulder of the opponent's defence, but doesn't get involved much in the build up to the attack. That's not a bad thing necessarily but IMO we need someone who can take the game to the opponent and impose himself on the game more as well as making the runs in behind, and Theo and Vela aren't that type of player.

I think we need both: one player who provides competition / cover for Walcott, and another player who's more like Oxlade-Chamberlain who runs at opponents and gets involved in the build up. The ideal balance for me would be to have one of each type of player on the wings each week. I know there's also Gnabry to think about, but I'm not sure I'd be comfortable having him and the Ox as our two options for the runners - the two of them together would just be a little too raw for my liking.

(Incidentally, this is one of the reasons why I think Vela for £3.5m makes a tremendous amount of sense - because we won't be able to spend big on every area we need to buy for this summer, and this could make the difference between getting just one of those players and maybe being able to get both?)

[Niall_Quinn]

turn down resigning Cesc but resign Vela.... i can see it now.

Getting the left-overs as usual. Richest guy in the house, rummaging in the bins.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

I'm not buying into the Vela back to Arsenal deal at this point. It's a straight forward deal, even by our criminally low standards so is there any reason why if it is true it should not happen soon?

[KSE Comedy Club]

I'm not buying into the Vela back to Arsenal deal at this point. It's a straight forward deal, even by our criminally low standards so is there any reason why if it is true it should not happen soon?

Because vela doesn't want to come back.

[Grebbo]

Vela is quality and much better than when he left us. I never wanted to sell him.

Would be great to have him back and at a bargain price. He's more of a winger than a striker and we don't have many wingers.