Apparently we've gone back with further enquiries about Schneiderlin - hopefully just to fuck up the spuds bid.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
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Apparently we've gone back with further enquiries about Schneiderlin - hopefully just to fuck up the spuds bid.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Vieira played alongside a DCM (Edu/Gilberto/Grimandi) and was the more atacking of the two anyway. the fact that he could defend and win the midfield battle was key but he was never the DCM in the side. When he played alongside Cesc in his final season, i remember we looked unbalanced and conceded goals through the middle due to the absence of a dedicated DCM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Of course he had support, Petit being the best example, but we never played so rigidly as to tie any single player down to x yards from the edge of the box. It sounds to me like Khedira may end up a signing too far anyway, but I'd much rather us be heading in the Vieira/ Petit direction than this modern bullshit football that sets out to ruin the game as the primary objective. But I've always preferred to see great football even if we lose, than see anti-football and win though not everyone has the same view. My least favourite Arsenal game was the 2005 cup final win. It was an embarrassment from start to finish and we robbed the cup by robbing football. I don't see our loss to Liverpool in the same way, we were "robbed" but it was a good match to watch. Football first for me. I hated Makelele - horrible player, ruined every game he touched. He got a lot of praise for it and he was effective but football was the victim. Wenger now has the funds to rebuild. I hope he rebuilds according to his philosophies and not pragmatically to the lowest denominator.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/in...al-werden.html
Not sure how reliable they are.
Edited to add: Basically says Khedira will be joining us, seems quite detailed.
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Did Arteta come here as a DM?Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
He didnt and actually played as an ACM in his first season with us then moved to DCM in his second season because we didnt buy anybody decent (or couldnt). The fact that we bought Flamini last season (who was first choice in the first few games) proved that AW wanted to strengthen that particular area.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
But Wenger turned him into a DM right? So are you now telling me Wenger can't turn Khedira, who shits on Arteta in every aspect/attribute, into a DM?Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
The fuck outta here. :lol:
You are missing my point. I know Wenger can turn him into a DCM but why dont we by a DCM by trade like Schneiderling or Bender and get it over with? if you look at the Chelsea, City and Liverpool defeats, you'll notice that we got robbed of the ball in the middle of the park for most of the goals and that because we didnt have anybody who can keep posession and keep things tight as well as protect the back 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Khedira is a good player and has loads of experience but if we have a choice between him and a proper DCM then the choice is easy.
We dont know if Wenger is going for him because he is his number 1 target ot that others (mentioned above) arent available/their clubs dont want to sell etc.
Because he can do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
Khedira gets asked where he'll play next season and Podolski shouts "ARSENAL" :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_B2...ature=youtu.be
When we were buying second best and going on supermarket dashes that left the team short and lacking quality, a dedicated DM would have been useful just to compensate and give us a bit more steel to resist opponents with more quality. In the last couple of years we have started buying genuine talent. There's no need to think about shoring things up any more, we should be thinking about how we'll take advantage. Khedira brings more than Schneiderlin. Not just on the pitch but as a greater expression of ambition. Plus it's a cumulative effect. The more winners we have here the more winners will want to come. In a most pleasant surprise the club is now moving up, let's ride it while it lasts and not be looking back (unless it;s all the way to the Invincibles)Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
Poldi :lol: :bow:
Podolski is a grade A WUM! :bow:
Podolski :bow::bow:
When he retires he needs to join us as a scout. :lol:
It's almost a repeat of the Cesc/Reina Barca shirt thing in 2010 except it's in our benefit this time.
Soon we'll be buying the title second third like the worstbest of them :trophy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
He has Arsenal Embassador written all over him*Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
*although doesn't he have shares in a team back home?
I'm a big fan of the conventional DM, and think that teams are better off with one in the side, but I'd happily discount that theory to sign Khedira. He's a top class midfielder who is good at just about everything. He'd improve us tremendously and give us presence in the middle of the park.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
And as you suggest, Bould seems to have worked wonders as we're defensively stable now (despite a handful of games last season where we fell to pieces, obviously).
Sign him up.
I think a midfield just looks more balanced with a DM in it. Whether that's a traditional enforcer-type, or someone who prefers to intercept and block than tackle.
Hence why I think we [Liverpool] desperately need one too. Just someone who is happy to stay back most of the time, protect the defence, recycle the ball and have a bit of nous.
Alonscherrard :cloud9:
Is Lucas any good or has he turned into your version of Denilson?Quote:
Originally Posted by Borini Is Boss
Lucas is solid and unspectacular. Or rather, was.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
He's a weird one. He was loathed when he first got into the team, blamed for absolutely everything (read: Arteta) and generally regarded as shit. Though many did think it was rather harsh, especially given the first thing he ever did for us was effectively win the Merseyside Derby.
Then he improved markedly and became a good, if not great DM who people still thought could move back slightly further forward.
Then he got his first bad injury and he suddenly became the love-child of Makelele and Zidane. In an instant he went from being a little underrated to being hilariously overrated.
He came back and did well, started to look like he could get back to his best. And then he got another bad injury.... and then I think another. Tbh I've lost count. Now he's lost any sort of pace he once had, of which there wasn't much anyway, and frankly is a little bit shit. It's a shame because he was decent for a time.
We're supposed to be trying to get rid of him now, but surprise surprise only Napoli seem to be interested and they're skint.
Also, maybe a chicken and egg situation, but he was at his best when we were at our worst.
Denilson then.
You can have Arteta if you want.
Marca are reporting that a 25m fee is agreed, and that it's just personal terms that are holding the deal up, although, interestingly, they're saying that Khedira is asking for 7m a season, which is about £105k/week? Don't know how accurate that is, but I would imagine the deal will be done pretty quickly if they've got their info correct...
I'm just off Arseblog. They think it might be because that is the net figure that is demanded. At a marginal tax rate of 40%, the real cost is significantly more.
Yeh that sounds about right. I think we'll sign him, the English media are just trying to add a bit of "drama" to the story what with these so called demands and Chelsea being in for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
What seems to be clear is we are his first choice in terms of clubs he wants to join and he seems to be our priority signing for CM so I am confident we will get it done.
He'll be a top signing if we pull this off.
Fee agreed with Real, apparently. :yippee:
http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...s-sami-khedira
We should start shopping around and approaching other targets if the trail goes cold on this one. Don't let it drag out. If we can't agree personal terms with Khedira, keep trying to knock off the price but we should make sure we're talking to another club to fill the DM spot.
Yep agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I dunno...maybe I am being a bit premature but we seem to be a lot more decisive and pragmatic in the way we are doing business this summer.
Above anything else, it seems we have the money and are now prepared to battle it out to get the players we covet.
If we pull this off, signing Sanchez and Khedira in the same window is a major statement from us.
Khedira and Ramsey :cloud9:
I read somewhere and Gazidis and Dick Law have taken a much more hands on approach now with transfer dealings. Wenger says who he wants, they go out and do the business.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
anyone have any knowledge on the injury that kept him out of most of last season? that's the only real worry for me.
It was an ACL, same as Theo.
Ah, not so great then - probably nearer double that gross, which is worse than we were expecting?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve French
I'm not convinced it'll be anywhere close to that though? I suspect that might just be the figure that Khedira and his agent chucked at Madrid as what he'd want to stay on there - could just be a ploy to persuade them to sell?
Doesn't help that Chelsea are in the mix as well, we know they could trump anything we offer. I find these reported wages for him crazy but this is just what we have to deal with now, if we want to continue shopping in this market for premium players.
You also have to remember that he is a CL and WC winner from this season alone so he does have a certain amount of bargaining power when it comes to his wages, I suppose :shrug:
If we do sign that German fitness guy and Wenger is genuinely looking to shake up the fitness approach through him, he could be the most important signing of the summer.
Do you think Chelsea are genuinely interested in Khedira though, or is it just the papers adding an easy, slightly credible twist to an otherwise straightforward story, so they can drag it out into a mini soap opera? I haven't seen anything concrete from Chelsea yet, and I kind of think it would already be done if they really wanted him (or he wanted them)?
(Obviously, if we do sign Khedira, then Chelsea were definitely 100% after him, and we beat them to it. He was probably their main target in fact.)
Yeah definitely seems as if our approach has changed. Our pursuit of players seems a bit more open these days too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I thought we already hired him ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
Can anyone confirm
German fitness guy already confirmed pre world cup afaik, there was an article about him being our biggest signing of the summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano