When the time comes for a new manager, I definitely want to be there to throw my support behind him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
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When the time comes for a new manager, I definitely want to be there to throw my support behind him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
Even if it's somebody who looks remarkably like Wenger in a false nose and glasses?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Yeah I want to be there too when the circle is finally broken. Like GB said to me a while ago "don't let wenger push you away"Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
NLD derby will possibly be my owner visit next season.
I'm not going again until we have a new manager in charge, won't make any difference to the bean counters but hey ho. If Wenger really loved the club as much as he says, he'd realise it should be time up.
It is a weird one because we're going to finish below Leicester but probably above most of the other usual suspects. It's been a weird season all round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I think 'new low' is exaggeration but we're going in the wrong direction and need someone to turn it around, it's increasingly clear that Wenger can't.
It's definitely a new low for me. The fact shitty and chavs have both been off the boil makes it even harder to take. This season was an open goal and we have fucked it up on spectacular fashion. Disaster of a season and Wenger is completely responsible. Any other top team in Europe and he'd be fired.
Of course it is a new low. That's a polite way of putting it. All those years listening to excuses about how we couldn't compete because of finances. Then the dopers explode and we still can't compete. This is the season that has confirmed we never had a chance with Wenger in charge. It was all one big illusion while Wenger got on with the business of making big money for the guys at the top. No wonder they have rushed out to support him. He's their cash cow and this new low of a season is the first real threat to him. If he is to go on shovelling cash for Kroenke and Co a new set of excuses will be required and pronto. The current one seems to be this is a weird, one-off season. That won't hold for long though because of course the fans realise that one-off or not it was the season where the door was wide open for us, and if things go back to normal next season we're in some real shit. Wenger and crew better hope it's a one-off because their precious 4th place trophy will be under severe threat otherwise.
I'm not saying shut up, if you want to protest next season if it makes you feel better than go for it, but I imagine that will be all you acheive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Frustration is usually a result of unwillingness to accept you are in a hopeless situation.
Wengers reaction in press conferences and anything you can read about the Rams in United States will give you all the information you need.
I honestly don't know what will happen at the end of next season, but even if Wenger goes there is no overwhelming obvious choice to succeed him. No Wenger is not good enough, but are any of the candidates we have been linked with up to the job?.
I think Leicester City and Ranieri are proof that the influence a manager has is overstated, Wenger needs to go because he hasn't got the ruthlessness to instigate a root and branch change in the squad.
Getting rid of Ospina, Mertesacker, Ramsey, Walcott, Campbell and Giroud along with Flamini, Arteta and Rosicky.
This weekend a back four of internationals abrogated their responsibilities by pulling back too deep allowing too many crosses to come into the box, you can blame tactical naievity as much as you like but these are professional footballers they shouldn't need the constant guidance of a crusty old frog in a sleeping bag straight jacket to know how to defend.
Of course that's not to excuse Wenger, these are his players he picks the team and in failing to spend he has stuck with players who either don't care or aren't very good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMtJj1HSGV0
Skipped through this.
Good vid.
'Arsene Wenger watched us finish 3rd last season and thought the squad could do better than that and a CL knockout stage exit, so he signed no outfield players and worse has unfolded.'
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I gave several examples of your bile and bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
It's funny cos he's fat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Spurs finishing above us or pipping us to a title when we were clear favourites is a new low. That's no exaggeration. If we'd have finished 4th and the usual suspects came above us then you'd have a point but you're wrong in this case. If you can admit Wenger should be sacked for this season then that should say it all really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
He's an embarrassment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
A more elaborate way of saying 'shut up and take it'. ;) You're talking in circles. 'Wenger must go...the fans are powerless, the owner doesn't care, there are no obvious candidates, it's the players fault'.....:banghead:Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
You say you don't know what will happen next season but seem to have it all mapped out with the assumption that pressure from the fans won't do anything. Whether people protest or just stay away from games, it's better than nothing.
I've called him incompetent, an idiot, an imbecile, an arrogant fool, a stubborn old goat. I've even defined the terms and each is entirely appropriate given his performance levels, his repetitious mistakes, his failure to learn from or even accept those mistakes and his obvious disdain for the fans. I stick by all of it because the facts support what I'm saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
What have you been saying? He can't compete because other clubs have more money, he's done as well as can be expected because other clubs have more money, there was no point trying to finish as high as possible last season because the title had already gone, he's bought Ozil and Alexis so ignore the fact he didn't strengthen last summer and blew another title, Wenger can be excused because the chavs fucked up, Wenger may have been embarrassed but so have the gypos. Always the excuse.
Bile - anger, bitterness, or irritability. Plenty of fans feeling all of those things right now I would say. And apathy - which comes after anger in many cases. I'll own that. Fans should be angry when the club they support retains a manager who has no ambition. What's the point of competitive sport without ambition?
Bullshit - talk nonsense to (someone) in an attempt to deceive them. Well we have what I'm saying, we have Wenger's record, and we have the bullshit apologies you're shovelling.
thats inaccurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
There was no balance yesterday. We had a great attack, and its probably our best attack since 2007-8, but the balance is bad. Sanchez is great attacking on the right, but he left Bellerin out to dry. Same with Iwobi on the left.
We also need to start playing 3 CMs.
I cannot stress this enough, but if Sanchez learns how to play center forward it would solve a lot of our problems. But Sanchez is super daft and will keep chasing the ball and just messing up things.
We tried 3 CM's at the start of last season and it didn't work.
He doesn't know what he's doing, I bet he doesn't even know what his strongest team is. Seriously, he's just stumbling across systems now in periods of the season when we have pretty much nothing to play for. This weekend was a complete snapshot of ours & our title rivals seasons. We go to West Ham without a plan and collapse and our rivals who incidentally appear to have a plan win "must win" games, Wenger is totally finished, this season has completely exposed him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
It's not weird, it's predictable Arsenal under Wenger collapsing in title races, it really doesn't matter who we are up against we always find a way to screw it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
You think 'new low' is an exaggeration, think about this for a minute, we were 4 points clear at the top at Christmas and now we're 13 points behind the leaders, it's an abomination, it's totally and utterly unacceptable collapsing in title races against teams who have less experience and inferior squads, we're miles behind too, out of sight!!! It's a new low alright, a total embarrassment.
Spot on.
There is no defence anymore.
Fans can do what they like I just don't expect it to acheive much, I could be wrong....as I've said if people want to protest it's up to them I don't object to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
When I say I don't know what will happen next season I mean I don't know whether Wenger will walk away or not, I don't personally believe if he did it would have anything to do with fan protests though.
And I find it interesting how blaming the players does in the eyes of others absolve the manager, it doesn't. These aren't programmable androids footballers learn the tools to their trade at a very young age and either have it or don't. Yes a manager can lessen the effectiveness of a decent player by playing them out of position or playing them too often or not enough, or not picking the right players by considering the opposistion and Wenger is guilty of all this.
But players shouldn't need to be instructed to perform the basics, they should know. And this is why the players are at fault as much as the manager....well either at fault for being lazy or just not good enough.
You're having a debate with yourself. Knock yourself out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
You were the one who took exception to my opinion that protesting will acheive nothing
And the point about the players is to refute the suggestion that the squad is good enough it just needs a new manager, when the fact is a new manager and a new team is required.
:coffee: circles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
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Wenger is there as long as Kroenke wants him there, fans don't attend matches?? No worries they can be replaced with fans who will or tourists who will. Plus the TV money is so high that it mitigates for any decrease in gate receipts.
If Wenger wants to stay beyond 2017 he will.
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I honestly don't know what will happen at the end of next season, but even if Wenger goes there is no overwhelming obvious choice to succeed him. No Wenger is not good enough, but are any of the candidates we have been linked with up to the job?.
I think Leicester City and Ranieri are proof that the influence a manager has is overstated, Wenger needs to go because he hasn't got the ruthlessness to instigate a root and branch change in the squad.
We don't and can't know what players we really need or if we in fact need a new squad, which is very unlikely. A new manager will have to figure that out. I don't blame the players. I mean I'll blame them if they fuck up on a match to match basis or if they are habitual under-performing fucks like Theo Walcott. But in terms of the tragic mediocrity we are trapped in and the lack of a backbone when it come to the fight, that's all Wenger and the culture he has built.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
It can't be the case every player through the doors over the last 10 years has been weak or unambitious. It can't be the case we haven't stumbled on a single leader in all that time. The environment at Arsenal breeds complacency and arrogance and entitlement. Wenger insists on having control of everything so this is his team, his complacency, his arrogance, his lack of ambition and it flows down through the players and out to half the fan base. This is where the 4th place trophy comes from, Wenger's divided and inverted priorities. Please the board, please the players, please the fans, please the media. Yes, it's bloody tough. But the best way to do the job is to compete hard and win, then by one means or another everyone ends up happy. Pleasing the board while reaching the minimum benchmark everywhere else is a losing policy, the opposite of what's required. That's Wenger's choice and he has to live by (though apparently not fall by) his choice.
The two things don't necessarily contradict each other. Wenger in my view will be there as long as Kroenke wants him and the only alternative to this is if he walks away, obviously the statement "as long as Kroenke wants him" is dependent on what Wenger himself wants to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
So when i say i genuinely don't know what will happen, i don't know whether Wenger will sign a new contract or walk away....those are realistically the only two options.
I think it's fair to say he won't walk away. And it's fair to say he won't be sacked.
The big question is, will he be offered a new contract, and will he take it?
I think he will be offered a contract.
And I think he'll take it.
My feelings too. I don't see Wenger starting out with a new club at age 67 and I don't see any sign of him wanting out of the game. So where is the only place he can get his fix? Both owners have made a point of coming out to support him, they absolutely want him here. Are they really going to be hunting around for a replacement next season? And if not and they don't have a replacement lined up then Wenger will be staying. Will they pay any attention to what the fans think or do? Only if it affects the bottom line financially and the club has pretty much sealed off that possibility given the queue waiting to buy tickets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglas Reynholm
Something dramatic will have to happen to shift this guy. If he gets that new contract the "always see out my contract" clause will come into effect. There will be no point protesting, it will be a done deal. Next season is the one where the fans will have to step up in a big way. The last chance to shift this guy before 2020.
Delusion is an option. We could all just pretend that spending a few quid in the summer (surely the club has to concede this much at least) will make a big difference and next season will be the moment when we eventually challenge. Delusion will be the only real option for those who want to get anything back from supporting the club. It's going to be like the delusional spuds. Only worse because they are above us now.
Unless we start playing decent football on a regular basis. Maybe that could happen? Maybe we'll drop the tippy-tappy? Could that happen?
Me :pal:
That's the reality of the situation. The title is gone now, it went a few weeks back when we lost to United and Swansea. We are not even in a race anymore so the fans have nothing to vent about so to speak, I can't see it getting as poisonous as it was a few weeks back at home to Swansea, we're resigned to a 3rd or 4th place finish and that's that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglas Reynholm
Everything about this club now is one way, we are told the Manager is doing a good job, we are told that we need to support the team, we are told that we are being competitive, we are told that there are no players better in the market than what we have, the whole situation is a farce and I'm not going to put a penny of my money into Arsenal Football Club until it changes.
my feeling is exactly the opposite, protests won't change anything, because the majority of fans won't protest when we are winning games, and we will win enough games to finish in the top four.
The only thing to do is hope that Wenger will get back with Sonia Tatar and live out his days in sin in Paris, or open up a football academy in Mozambique.
In the last two-three years protests and fan anger has been worse than i've ever known it to be and it's changed precisely nothing.
I’m not pointing out a contradiction. We’re just talking in circles. You say Wenger should go, we need new players to win the title, it’s unlikely we’ll see ether of those scenarios play out. So now what? Protesting is pointless, staying away from games is pointless….so what now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
:lol: Was she his French Rapper "bit on the side"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Ah i see, well nothing is what now.....either be content with the thin gruel or find another interest. Or protest in the belief that it will change things....or hope that Wenger finishes outside the top four because the board may decide not to offer him a new contract then because it will see it has nothing to lose.
I'm not going to renew my red membership, mainly because I went to one game this season and don't want to pay out thirty quid on the off chance i might be bothered to go.
I like to write, it doesn't make me an author. She was a waitress who tried to record a rap album and would have stayed in obscurity if not for being penetrated by l'ouisseau.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
According to my mate she was also knocking off Patrick Vieira and that's why there are strained relations between Wenger and Vieira.
I think fan protest could force him out, but it would have to be severe and prolonged i.e. Wenger out chants and banners at every game and mass walk outs etc. It would not be pretty but I'd have no sympathy for Wenger, providing it didn't get malicious. Very little chance of it actually happening though.
:lol: Wenger played a little bit with zee handbrake on ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Every game?...you mean every away game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
And sustained?....so when results go bad, people will just blame ungrateful fans for the teams performance.
Just ask Newcastle fans how successful their protesting is.
No we weren't! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie