fair enough and that is how most people feel, i respect that position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
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fair enough and that is how most people feel, i respect that position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Will be a very interesting day if he gets a new contract. If that happens the fan base will split permanently right down the middle and it will be 3 or 4 seasons of war, if he can even stick it out that long. A new contract is unimaginable and utterly pointless. If the board isn't completely oblivious they surely know this. In which case, what point is there for him to see out the existing contract? All he's doing is delaying things a year and probably making everything worse in the process. I can't think of a single reason why it would not be an advantage to the club for him to leave right now, today. Every minute he hangs on does more damage.
I can only hope that behind the scenes these discussions are already taking place. I doubt it. If they are happy to see him linger for another year then logically they are happy for him to stick around for as long as he wants. Of course they have said this much but my problem is I don't believe a single word any of them say. If he's not gone at the end of this season it answers most if not all the questions the fans have concerning Kroenke and the gang.
I say all this on the presumption football is still important to the club. But if we have moved past that it becomes obvious why they want the bloke to stick around for ever.
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Originally Posted by Maestro
Pretty much my feeling for him. I despise his condescending tone towards fans, and frankly I could care less how his end as an Arsenal manager came. Frankly, if he were to resign tomorrow, I wouldnt even bother to say thanks for the memories.. just good riddance!
I think part of the problem next season is that you really don't want a manager knowing that he will be gone the next season. Look at City in the league... the players aren't that interested because they know the manager wont be around next season. The squad they have they should be more embarrassed than we are at not being top. There are players who go on about being here because of Wenger. If everyone knows he is going to go then they could get twitchy too and look for a move and watch performances drop.
We need to avoid having a lame duck manager, Wenger needs to go this summer or sign a new contract and then go next summer anyway but at least it would give a look of stability. I really think next season could be a complete disaster.
Fair point about the lame duck manager. Which is why I believe the board has every intention of offering him an extension.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
Certainly could be a disaster next season. Or an exciting new start. One man can decide that but I doubt he'll make the decision that's in the best interests of the club. Although of course he imagines (genuinely I suppose) that everything he does is a big benefit.
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I think it's a fair presumption to make of the board that a detrimental effect on revenues and sponsorship will force them to act.
Will Puma feel they are going to be getting their money's worth for the kit deal if people don't buy replica kits?
Will corporate sponsors feel embarrassed having advertising hoardings in a half empty stadium
It will make the board stand up and take notice id imagine. Unless Wenger wins something major things are just not going to improve in that respect.
Short term they can hold out, but with his contract ending next year it would be easier just not to offer him a new one and tell Gazidis to get a replacement.
Why won't they do that this season? Because it means that they have to do make a football based decision, why would they want to do that if they have deferred all that to Wenger.
lequipe say Arsenal are currently negotiating 3-year extension with Wenger, even if club are denying it.
Oh god.
Ah crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
http://images.supersport.com/Arsene-...915-AI-300.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Surely they're not THAT out of touch!
I'm calling Bollocks on this
http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...inst-west-brom
This is precisely the reason I dislike this manager. He is disappointed in us.. really you thick goat?! Piss off you old fart... do something that remotely shows value for the money the fans are putting in, and then expect them to be happy! What a jackass!
Hope we have lower turnout as the remaining games go on..
"You want your fans to be enthusiastic"
You also want your manager to improve the team but hey ho.
You mean Wenger is dictating terms for his new contract. It doesn't surprise me. Unless they are going to sack him then the worst outcome is to leave him in place for an uncertain year. The club is just a profit driven corporation now. Wenger fits that bill perfectly. They won't be looking at football at all when they make tis decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
There are tens of thousands of fans who hope you are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I think given the rumoured malaise amongst fans the atmosphere - on TV at least - appeared to be a lot more lively than expected. There were no boos (well, only when Feo came on which was telling) and after the game you could hear fans singing 'Arsenal FC'. So for an average performance against a team that couldn't be bothered, I'm not sure what Wenger was expecting. It didn't sound as bad as it had been predicted it may be.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
I think he's got the wrong idea about this whole 'us against them' thing. It's supposed to be the media, FA and opposing teams Arsene, not your own fans.
I want the man to leave our club so we can begin to build again but I'm gaining no pleasure in seeing him go out like this. It's very sad to see.
What the actual fuck, is this guy for real!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Right, and they've certainly spent more than Leicester so you could say that for any team. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Sadly yes, was mentioned on Sky Sports too.Quote:
Originally Posted by adzzzbatch
https://twitter.com/SkyFootball/stat...68391891357696
Wenger 'very disappointed' by Arsenal crowd: "We are not playing to avoid relegation"
What the fuck are we playing for?
How long will this shit go on ffs
Connect the dots and it makes sense, in the October period around the time we beat Bayern Munich and Man United there were newspaper stories about a two year extension to his current contract. And now we are reading about a three year deal starting from this summer, both of these speculated contracts take him up to 2019.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Now I think therefore this is just a recycled story, is it possible the board want him to stay until 2019? Quite possibly....it could be part of an understanding where Wenger has said to them I don't want to be managing in my 70s and a departure date of May 2019 takes him up to about five months shy of his 70th birthday.
But again I think that understanding could only be accommodated in a good atmosphere, unless there is a complete turn around in personnel and performances next season (and neither you or I expect that) than it is indeed quite possible that what we saw against West Brom will not be a one off event, fans aren't stupid they will know it's his last season of his current contract and I do think there will be a number trying to influence it to make sure he doesn't stay.
But at the same time it's all based on results, if we have a good start to next season will there be the motivation for protest?.
Either way I don't see a contract being signed anytime soon.
Unless the Muppet gets his finger out and buys players who will help us escape the gravitational pull of his crap management and inept tactics, next season could be our worse yet. Everyone of our competitors will have new managers add to that now Leicester and the Spuds. Unless United keep LVG which they could if we get overtaken for 4th. Chelsea, City, United, Pool, Spurs, Leicester, even West Ham. You know all will strengthen in the summer, while Maestro sits on his wallet, dreaming of world domination with Wilshere and the Jeff taking us to the summit.
My guess is that by November things could be so toxic it won't matter what contract he has just signed.
Like I say there won't be any contract signed this summer.
Wenger chose not to sign a contract until after the end of the season in 2014
I suppose that's how they'll play it. 2019 is shaping up to be a landmark (or more like landfill) event for football when the greedy "big5", simply can't get enough, never enough, football cash corporations pitch us their stinking Euro league. So ideally I suppose the bean counters would want Wenger to stay and manage their affairs up until that point, after which you could put a monkey in charge and still make huge profits. Hopefully this horrible track will be derailed, but I doubt it.
I think the business of keeping Wenger is as much about the board knowing they will have to make football decisions if he goes as much as it is profit.
You suspect within reason they want Wenger to make the decision on his future unilaterally and so if he does go, he can pick a successor so again they don't have to do anything even vaguely related to football.
We know that Alex Ferguson picked Moyes as his successor because there was no chance he would outshine him.......
I'm happy with him having 1 year left, ok so we won't attract top players, let's be honest though a) even if we did it would make no difference under Wenger as they probably won't be the ones we need and b) Wenger isn't the man to take us forward so saving the money for a new manager might be best.
If he gets a new 3 year contract however, that will be a disaster, more of the same sh*t really would be depressing, I don't care what anyone says but the guy doesn't truly care for the club because at the end of the day the club is the fans without them it's nothing and the way he blames and talks about fans isn't the way someone who loves a club talks.
He loves managing and doing whatever he wants and his players, that's what he loves, he has absolutely no loyalty to the fans whatsoever.
What a plank honestly, why does he come out with sh*t like this, it just alienates him even more. I agree that's why I can't stand him, he's got no respect for the people that are this club and he thinks he can say whatever he wants, the guy is always blaming the fans but never his players or himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
He's an arrogant, deluded individual who thinks he's better than he is, the sooner he leaves the better because only a handful of people actually still want him here.
If he wasn't so arrogant and accepted some responsibility and accepted his players weren't delivering and we need to change a few things it might be different but the way he talks he comes across really arrogant and like he doesn't give a toss about the fans.
Has there ever been a more delusional and blinkered manager in the history of football, I can't remember one personally and think he's making himself look like a real fool to everyone right now.
Sanchez?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Cech?
Ozil?
(The last of who quite openly said it was Wenger's call to him that swayed him)
With Wenger's future up in the air, the pull will have to be more than Arsene Wenger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Having those players has not changed our league position. However its good that we got them. Only God knows where we would be without Sanchez and Ozil this year. Before you get all worked up. FA cups yes, I know. Thats what £80m of world class player has brought us. League progress?. Nope, CL progress? Nope.
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@Memz_Dogi 1h1 hour ago
As I was doing my periscope I got a call and it's true that the club have offered on the table a new 3 year deal for Arsene Wenger
https://twitter.com/Memz_Dogi/status/723823607894429696
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Yes, it hasn't pushed us on because Wenger. But I was responding to Zim's point that we wouldn't be in the market for top players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Although I do take PnGs point.
in the know? based on what exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
plus there is a difference between a contract being on offer and the manager signing it
Seriously, you need to stay away from Twitter.
It's good for nothing.