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Thread: Match Reaction v West Brom (home) 15/16

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    We now have to score five goals in our remaining two games to match our lowest ever goal total for a premier league season at the Emirates Stadium (31 in 19)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    Exactly i think his legacy is pretty much unassailable, as i said earlier anyone who takes over from him will be rubbing their hands in glee and i think it would be wrong to suggest any other than he is responsible for creating the expectation that we are so frustrated that he has failed to live up to.

    Yes we won things before he came to the club and had a long and proud history, but we are in a position now where we can and should be competing for top honours consistently. Was that really the case before he came....he's like the architect whose built a beautiful house and now won't move out so it can be lived in.
    Playing devils' advocate before he came there wasn't the money in TV and the CL didn't pay nearly as much, so circumstances have certainly helped our financial situation as well.

    4th place meant little to most people, it was in fact just a qualifying place for the UEFA cup then, so the incentive if you weren't competing for the title just wasn't there.

    Comparing apples and oranges really.

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    Wenger said: 'We want to win our games and instead of focusing on the table I think it is very important to focus on the process and quality of what we do.
    He really does himself no favours with dumb comments like that. He must know how something like this is going to be perceived?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    He really does himself no favours with dumb comments like that. He must know how something like this is going to be perceived?
    Yeah let's not focus on table the thing that actually matters and the thing which determines whether you're successful or not, let's focus on the quality which we don't even deliver.

    The guy is truly deluded, he needs to listen to himself, if he hadn't been so fortunate and had to find another club he wouldn't find a job at any top club with an attitude like that.

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    All i'm saying is that Wenger has helped create the stability and environment that will aid a better manager than him to be challenging on all fronts. Third and Fourth allowing qualifying for the Champions League as well as a lot of money has helped that, but we still had to get into those positions.

    I'm old enough to remember that before 1996 there wasn't a insistence that we should be challenging for the title and challenging for the European cup, this is something we expect now and it's a good thing as we should expect it because we have put ourselves in the position financially that we can do this.

    So the idea that he has left us in a quagmire which some people make is quite badly wide of the mark.


    Again taking the argument that we couldn't compete financially before 2014 (which i've always felt was a bit of a stretch) but it's simply that post 2014 he has been given the opportunity to prove that it was only money holding him back and he's failed that test. And although we won't be in a worse position as a club by allowing him one more season, there really is nothing for us to profit from letting him do so.

    Was it that surprising that he probably wouldn't be able to compete even with Money, but I can see the argument that he deserved the chance to try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    Yeah let's not focus on table the thing that actually matters and the thing which determines whether you're successful or not, let's focus on the quality which we don't even deliver.

    The guy is truly deluded, he needs to listen to himself, if he hadn't been so fortunate and had to find another club he wouldn't find a job at any top club with an attitude like that.
    It is ridiculous for him to be saying things like that, i really don't see what he thinks he is achieving by making such statements.

    It seems to me a way of trying to appeal to the fans to come back without actually admitting responsibility for why they've turned in the first place

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post

    The guy is truly deluded, he needs to listen to himself, if he hadn't been so fortunate and had to find another club he wouldn't find a job at any top club with an attitude like that.
    Therein lies the problem. He's worked himself into a position where he's been given carte blanche, he can do and say as he pleases because no one is going to hold him to account. Leaving Arsenal means retirement for him, he's not going to manage another club so until he's had enough we're stuck with him until he gets bored. The biggest shame is that he doesn't really appear driven anymore to compete for the top prizes, if he left next year having secured another 3rd or 4th place finish, he will deem it a mark of success because no one else has managed to qualify for the CL for that many consecutive years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    Therein lies the problem. He's worked himself into a position where he's been given carte blanche, he can do and say as he pleases because no one is going to hold him to account. Leaving Arsenal means retirement for him, he's not going to manage another club so until he's had enough we're stuck with him until he gets bored. The biggest shame is that he doesn't really appear driven anymore to compete for the top prizes, if he left next year having secured another 3rd or 4th place finish, he will deem it a mark of success because no one else has managed to qualify for the CL for that many consecutive years.
    As depressing and predictable as 16/17 season sounds even before the end of this season, if he actually leaves at the end of it after getting us third or fourth.....I think that wouldn't be so terrible would it?....if actually finishing in that position meant something because someone with ambition would make it a platform to build on.
    If it makes him easier to go by claiming it as a success, surely not a problem?. We talk about deluded Wenger, but we are only deluding ourselves if we think he's not going to be here next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    He really does himself no favours with dumb comments like that. He must know how something like this is going to be perceived?
    this is really the only reason i truly despise him. i could stomach him being around for longer, if he showed some modicum of humility and respect for the fans but that is clearly below him. done wonders for us and thank him for his achievements but i really can't respect him as a man anymore.

    the true last dinosaur left (oldest manager in all the european top leagues), and i think his mind has gone. sad ending for our greatest ever manager.
    'WHEN HE HAS A PLAN, WE BACK HIM, WHEN HE DOESN'T......WE KEEP QUIET'

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    I don't despise him, I just don't want him to be manager of Arsenal Football club anymore

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