Trossard is finally coming on
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Trossard is finally coming on
Eddie and Jorginho off
Trossard and Vieira on
stupid bloody short corner
I think we could be here for another 90mins and not be any closer to creating a chance let alone scoring.
foul throw by Vieira :doh:
terrible corners again - set piece coach :bow:
FT 1-0
Absolutely dire game of football.
1-0 FT.
November curse returns. :bow:
Also completely laughable that we had a million corners at the end and none cleared the near post.
not good - if Arteta doesn't now know that we need more options up front he never will
Yep very annoying but can’t complain too much, the award of the goal was not a clear and obvious error…seen fouls given, seen them not. Offside? Ball out of play?. I’d be fuming if that goal was scrubbed off for us.
Created fuck all which is the most concerning thing. Their defence is well organised but it lacks for pace and we simply didn’t do enough to stretch it.
Not going to fault the effort. It was a scrappy and physical match that we held our own in but the stodgy and disjointed performance from the forwards was never going to win us the game.
Oh well. At least it’s Burnley next weekend.
This was the only real chance we had and Sakashit actually turned back towards his own goal here and lost the ball. Genuinely no idea what the boy is doing in the team. A complete and utter liability. Where chances go to die.
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Getting a bit of tired of online people aping Arteta and crying about how the PGMOL fucked us over. You can argue we didn’t deserve to lose that game, but we sure as fuck didn’t deserve to win it. Arteta bleating on about how only one team was trying to win it, well maybe then that reflects poorly on you for spending 65million on Kai Fucking Havertz.
Maybe examine why you keep persisting with a terrible goalkeeper like Raya, who once again misjudged a cross which led to the goal in the first place.
Micro analysing the game won’t do us any good, the referee was arguably too lenient with both sets of players.
Arteta’s rant was Mourinho esque and embarrassing frankly
:gp: Couldn't agree more with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
Am I correct to say all the games we've dropped points in this season we won last year?
Mikel Arteta, a manager who seems to get a sick twisted rush from actively weakening his side....Havertz, Balogun, Tierney and now Raya.....well done maestro!!!
Havertz was appalling again and I have no idea why he lasted the 90. I’ve tried to get on board with him but he’s so bloody slow and ineffective. I’d much rather see Vieira starting and I’m not even a fan of his either but Havertz feels like we’re flogging a dead horse.
What a monumental waste of money.
I haven't seen the interview but I've no doubt you're rightQuote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
and you, MO and everyone else are right about Havertz - while you could at least see he was on the pitch yesterday, which is more than could be said for most of his other 'appearances' he's mid-table Championship standard at best - a Xhaka-type liability - Arteta seems obsessed with players who actually make us worse - Zin, Raya, Havertz, plus persisting with someone like Eddie who's not good enough - he is being paid millions every year to make terrible mistakes like this
It's so glaring that we need a striker that even Gary Neville noticed it in between all his anti-Arsenal bleating
Swings and Roundabouts as we also beat Everton and City when we didn’t last yearQuote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
To be honest in terms of overall results, I’m not that bothered by 24 points from 11 games. Yeah I’m disappointed with Fulham and Spurs as at home we should be winning those games. But Newcastle is a tough fixture, and I think the problem was being unable to break down the Newcastle defence which I always attribute to deficiencies further down the field, you can have the best striker in the world and if you’re up against a team that defends so deep every cross, every through ball is cut out you then rely on individual brilliance. We had the chance to counter attack but not the set up that would allow for it, and ultimately we slowed down to a snail’s pace when we got into their final third. That and a completely ineffective corner routine.
Don’t get me wrong we absolutely need a striker….but we also need a midfielder that important box to box midfielder
It must be bad when even the BBC is echoing what we are saying.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67324261.amp
Yeah I don’t think we’re getting much sympathy here and his rant and the clubs statement of support has been laughed out of town. The VAR calls were very marginal, it wasn’t the same as Spuds/Liverpool mess.
I’m more inclined to look at how utterly ineffective we were up front. At no point did we look likely to win the game.
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Yeah I noticed that. Whilst I mostly agree with McNulty, can’t help but feel they wouldn’t do this to Pep or Klopp.
Probably not but it’s much easier to gain credence by going for a rookie who’s done precious little, rather than elite coaches who’ve won it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
To be fair, everyone laughed in Klopp’s stupid face when he was asking for a replay after that mess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Agreed, as that is something which is in Arteta’s control. So that’s where he should be focusing. But that can be true and it can also be true that Arteta’s right about the VAR mess. I agree with Arteta. But I also agree he should, once he’s calmed down, be focusing on our failings. We might have been robbed yesterday but it was of one point, not 3.Quote:
I’m more inclined to look at how utterly ineffective we were up front. At no point did we look likely to win the game.
What a crock of shit that was. I only got back into football this last year but has VAR always been this bad, I thought it was supposed to eliminate refereeing errors.
We didn't deserve to win, so it only really cost us one point, but that ball was clearly out, not to mention the subsequent foul, the handball and the offside.
that article is spot onQuote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
The foul is the one that is clearest for me, it's completely blatantQuote:
Originally Posted by The Wengerbabies
I'm not sure the ball was out tbh, I could be wrong but i think if you were stadnding right over that it would just slightly be on the line - I can't even see the handball but on the offside, if what people are saying about the rules is correct then yes it looks offside
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Originally Posted by Mac76
Going by the rules of the game (which I don’t agree with) the ball was probably still in play because the whole diameter of the ball was casting a shadow on the line rather than the sensible way of determining it that there is grass between the white line and where the bottom of the ball is. You know what might help them is to use the same sensors that is there for goal line technology. Hawkeye or some shit
The Joelinton action of having two arms on the back of Gabriel looks like a foul, but for one reason or another they’ve determined that it can’t be because the action didn’t do anything to impede Gabriel’s movement, kind of embarassing really that it’s deemed not a foul because you in fact have the upper body strength of a child.
Offside? You know what fuck knows.
I like to believe I’m consistent of the view of giving the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team therefore I’m not foaming at the mouth about this decision, however I’m annoyed at goals that have been chalked off for us for far more finicky reasons.
Gabriel Martinelli has had three goals that probably should have stood, Brighton at home in 2022, Man United away in 2022 and Everton away in September
https://www.skysports.com/watch/vide...nal-have-stood
I think Dermot Gallagher is right here, there just isn’t anything conclusive. My question though remains, is that rationale being applied consistently across the board because I don’t think it is
I don't really blame Arteta for this - all managers deflect from their or their team's failings - but this does all rather seem like an attempt to distract people from the fact we had 1 shot on target all game.
That might be a better problem to try and address, Mikel, as it's in your control.
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Originally Posted by Letters
Arteta chose, I think quite deliberately to use this talking point to distract from our own shortcomings. I think his anger over the decision is totally manufactured. It then puts the club in a position of whether or not to back his position, and if it doesn’t back his position it creates a rift which puts his position under scrutiny (which they are evidently - rightly or wrongly not prepared to do)
Could it benefit us more in the future if officials generally fear a backlash from decisions, possibly who knows.
Okay fine the tiniest nanometre of the balls diameter may have hung over the line, why was this one for United disallowed then?Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
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It's a total lack of consistency.
Well yeah I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by The Wengerbabies
The PL actually admitted the Man U goal should have stoodQuote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/fifa...ne/ar-AA15xf5x