Who Will Win The League - 2

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I saw that too. He's trying to convince everyone that we're mentally strong but it contradicts the performances and what the players themselves say. He's had to check both Ozil and Sanchez when they've spoken out about our failings. There is no point in telling everyone they need to 'believe' and hope for the best. There has to be some action behind that and the players need to feel confident in their manager and each other. He's all theory and no practice.

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It's ridiculous and childish. He even made a snipe earlier on in the season midway through the collapse citing that people were wrong for saying Arsenal always collapse in title races, the statistical evidences over the past 12 years proves otherwise! He's arguing against stats that are correct!

The players are just as responsible as Wenger but his laissez faire approach doesn't help, I have no idea what he was saying to the team midway through the collapse but it seemed to me as if he "hoped" we would play our way back into form. He repeatedly picked the same team even though they were stinking up the place!

I don't think anyone takes singular blame

The players are to blame because as Ozil has even admitted they screwed it up and didn't play like they believe they can in certain games.

The manager is to blame for not addressing the lethargy in the team, not utilising the squad he has well enough and not adding to the squad in terms of quality in the transfer market.

The board and ownership are to blame for taking a hands off approach to the footballing aspect of the club and not putting sufficient pressure on Wenger to acheive more or failing that replace him with someone more capable.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

I don't think anyone takes singular blame

The players are to blame because as Ozil has even admitted they screwed it up and didn't play like they believe they can in certain games.

The manager is to blame for not addressing the lethargy in the team, not utilising the squad he has well enough and not adding to the squad in terms of quality in the transfer market.

The board and ownership are to blame for taking a hands off approach to the footballing aspect of the club and not putting sufficient pressure on Wenger to acheive more or failing that replace him with someone more capable.

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I think this is a fair statement.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

I didn't claim we ran full pelt for 90 minutes (as you are misleadingly trying to suggest) I said we gave 100% and we did.

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No, we didn't. I had a season ticket in that era and that's just not true.
Quite regularly I'd see us blitz a team and then coast the rest. Yes we controlled games, we were the best side around, but if we'd given 100% we'd have got double figures in many games.

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I really can't understand how anyone can defend this man any longer.

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Well, it depends what he's being accused of. If Spurs fans chant about him being a paedophile then I'll defend him.
I think he should be sacked, but that doesn't mean I think he's a complete incompetent or that everything he does is wrong and that anyone could come in and we'd do better.
I'll defend him against stuff like that and comments like he's a "sad and pathetic overpaid flop". That's just WUMming (he is overpaid of course, but so are most people in football).

It hasn't been a decade of failure. Neither has it been a decade of success. Those two statements are not contradictory, it's too simplistic to paint it as success or failure. As I keep reminding you, 2 years ago you backed his new contract on the strength of the FA Cup win, now you're calling it a decade of failure and dismissing the FA Cup as meaningless.

A more balanced view is that there has been some success and some failure. Overall I'd there's been more of the latter but keeping us in the top 4 was a success in the era when the billionaires were having the most impact. The two FA Cups have been nice and a seemed like a sign of hope. We should have won a couple of titles in that era though. This year has been a weird one - it looks like we'll finish above all the usual suspects and then lose the league to Leicester :doh:.

As you said, the other top sides are changing their manager because of this, we should too. And yes, I doubt we will.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

I don't think anyone takes singular blame

The players are to blame because as Ozil has even admitted they screwed it up and didn't play like they believe they can in certain games.

The manager is to blame for not addressing the lethargy in the team, not utilising the squad he has well enough and not adding to the squad in terms of quality in the transfer market.

The board and ownership are to blame for taking a hands off approach to the footballing aspect of the club and not putting sufficient pressure on Wenger to acheive more or failing that replace him with someone more capable.

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Pretty much.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I think he should be sacked, but that doesn't mean I think he's a complete incompetent or that everything he does is wrong and that anyone could come in and we'd do better.
I'll defend him against stuff like that and comments like he's a "sad and pathetic overpaid flop". That's just WUMming (he is overpaid of course, but so are most people in football).

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Agree with this, I do understand people want him out, but it just gets so carried away on here. This season has been the biggest disappointment, I agree we should have taken advantage and won the league. But in previous seasons, while stadium was going up, and we were trying to compete with City and Chav money, and ManU, we held our own and did the best we could have. I enjoyed the two FA Cup wins too.

I find him shallow and pedantic.

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Originally Posted by Douglas Reynholm

I find him shallow and pedantic.

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Your mum is shallow and pedantic

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Your mum is shallow and pedantic

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Yes, shallow and pedantic.

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Originally Posted by alexander

I blame the players themselves. How much motivation do you need, you are doing a job that many would give their all to do and are paid handsomely for doing it for one of europes best clubs.
As for Adams, great leader on the pitch, and would like to have someone like him in the squad now. But as for his opinions on being a good coach, I would take that with a pinch of salt tbh. He hardly went on to glorious things with being a coach himself.

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You don't have to be a great coach for that conclusion. He's saying from his experience Wenger didn't really motivate him. If you check the history of what players in the past have said, it's never been a case of Wenger geeing up the players to get a result. From the Invincible season you hear about Campbell constantly chanting 'together' and having them huddled in a circle repeating the same thing. It's great that Wenger put that team together and provided an environment where that sort of mental strength can flourish. But what happens when we don't have that sort of environment and the players don't talk to each other? What next? Also, what do you do when the manager says that the we have a great fighting spirit. 'Pure' as he puts it? How can a problem be fixed if he doesn't recognise a problem?