According to Matt Law from the Telegraph, Mata has "told friends and family" he will join United.
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According to Matt Law from the Telegraph, Mata has "told friends and family" he will join United.
Unless Mourinho is going to pull off the ultimate WUM, this will happen. United are desperate.
Sell them Hazard too then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Done deal according to loads of media sources.
Ballague saying the deal is £45m ... wow, what a signing
Good signing
I still don't understand why he's not getting games for Chelsea let alone being sold to a rival :unsure:
this deal makes aboustley no sense. mata strengthens united any way you look at it and weakens chelsea. the argument that mata could take points off us and city this season is bollocks because what happens next season when its all level again? the only thing i can think of why mourinho is allowing this, is that he has a deal for rooney lined up in return but if that isn't in writing and united get mata, i hope they stick two fingers up at the smug cunt and he's left looking stupid.
now given the shit everyone gave AW for selling our best player to united when he had no choice, it will be interesting to see what the reaction is to mourinho selling his best player to united. he's not even forced into it
Mata is not Chelsea's best anymore player in fairness.
then loan him. what happens if mourinho doenst win the league this season even if mata takes points off us and city and then next season every one is level again and he's fucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
was last year and the year before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Indeed he was but they've been fine without him this season, they're selling a player they perceive to be surplus. It's not the same as when we've sold our top players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
but they haven't though have they? their football has been woeful (though that could be mourinho just being boring and thuggish) they've really struggled away from home and in europe despite qualifying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
He'll strengthen in the summer and that 45 million will come in handy, I think the team isn't as he wants it at the moment, they'll be stronger next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
That £45m will go towards either Falcao/Cavani/Costa in the summer
I just hope United fuck up badly this season. If they get top 4, they'll likely push on in the summer after sacking Moyes :lol:
If you look at it they kinda have, they're only 2 points behind in the league and have got through in the CL. If they were 10 points behind you'd have a point but they are right in it at the moment and since Mata is largely not playing his sale isn't going to change anything for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
So with Mata in the side they'd be sweeping all before them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
the 45 million doesn't really come that much in handy because they can't spend it given they made a 50 million or so quid loss this year, they have to make a 3 million profit or something close to that next year due to FFP regulations. its gives them some money towards it but not new players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
he's selling his best player of the last two seasons to united. you hammered wenger for that when he did it, find it odd that you are making excuses for mourinho here. Mata is a star player who has won everything he possibly can in football bar the title, every manager bar mourinho has got the best out of him. id say that tells us more about mourinho then mata
not quite my point. my point was they were better last year and year before with him in the side. played better football and won both european competitions and the cup. the only trophy they will realistically challenge for this year is the title and i don't think they will win it. so yes mata in the side was better IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Yeah not even sure how that works, clubs are making losses left right and centre, think you'll find the money will be spent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
Mata isn't their best player though is he, he's a bench player who has no future in Mourinho's team, the equivalent would be Wenger buying someone expensive, never playing him and then selling him.
Chelsea will challenge for trophies regardless, that's just what they do by hook or crook.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
Just curious, if Mata is worth £45m, how much would Cazorla go for ?
£25m-£30m?
No the equivalent would be Wenger buying someone, that player being the clubs best player for two seasons, then a new manager turning up and thinking he is the best thing ever and benching said best player because he likes to look in control and powerful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Mata was chelseas best player last season and the season before. the fans voted him that honour too. he's a regular for spain, improves any side greatly if he plays for them. what happens if mata gets untied top four football and in the summer players decide they want united over chelsea? mourinho is left having sold his best player, strengthened a rival and helped further strengthen them by allowing the mata signing to convince others to go to united.
The special one, clearly doesn't fancy Mata and it is clear he isn't all that bothered about the fact that when he came there Mata was their best player. I tend to look critically at the benching of Mata but he has got away with it because Chelsea are within touching distance and the popularisation of the view that Mata slows the play down (which I think has been quite overstated).
From Mourinho's point of view he has made a fortune on a player he didn't rate, but from Chelsea's point of view they are most certainly weaker (as a squad), which can't really be argued against.
Quite comically it may still not be enough to ensure that they win anything or that they finish in the top 4, though Moyes' teams traditionally finish well.
easily the same as Mata though their real value wouldn't be 45 million. i think both are worth 30-35 million. id say both are the same level as each other, equal in everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Yeah, they both seem to be on par with each other for me too, especially when Santi has played in the centre rather than out wide as he has done this season. Chelsea are lucky that United are desperate though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
I just hope United fail this season, that £45m along with the CL money loss will result in their best players leaving.
Mata doesn't fit into his team, whether he was the best player in the previous two seasons is irrelevant, Mourinho has a proven record who who are we to argue with his decisions. At the moment Mata doesn't play, if he's not going to play him why not recoup 45 million and spend it on someone that will play?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
Chelsea have enough pull without having to worry about Man U signing players they want to be honest.
No chance, Mata is 25 Cazorla is 29.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
Cazorla is a top player but Mata is more of a goal threat, IMO that would attract a slight premium.
Just can't force his way into the side past the might of Mikel and Ramires.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
lol
If we're being honest too....had Wenger benched RvP the year before he flogged him to the devils and in spite of that challenged for the title, the decision to sell him would have been much less frowned upon.
RvP was much more important for us back then than Mata is for Chelsea....and incidentally, RvP is a much better player than Mata.
mata has fitted into every team he has played in, including a champions league winning side, a world cup winning side too. Managers like Arsene etc all wanted to sign him yet mourinho is the only one who doesn't rate him? id say most would argue with his decision except you, its difficult to argue with mourinho when you have his cock in your mouthQuote:
Originally Posted by Özim
both scored 12 goals each in the league last season. try againQuote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I actually think that Cazorla is more talented but Mata has been more consistent over his premier league tenure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
On pure footballing ability there are very few players in this division more talented than Cazorla is......which is why it is frustrating to me personally when he falls below the level of his capabilities. There's nothing he can't do with a ball......but the most talented players aren't unanimously the most consistent.
Oh he were go, I was waiting for you to pull out the childish nonsense, you couldn't help yourself could you, well done : pat on back:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
He doesn't want him, he doesn't want to play him, different managers have different ideas, he's not the 1st manager to sell the teams perceived "best player" because he doesn't fit in with his plans and he won't be the last.
Cazorla is very talented, they are slightly different players IMO, Cazorla is more skillful and has better vision but Mata is much more a goal threat and more direct. In terms of value though the age plays a large part in that, at 29 Cazorla won't be able to command as high a fee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
:haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Game. Set. Match.
Look back at their careers and come back to me, Cazorla scored more than he usually does last season so how about you try again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
I should say that, was quite childish, but it did make me laugh! lol....
#WUMQuote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
It's funny because it's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
no i coulnt help myself but thats partly because I'm fed up of seeing you defend city/chelsea to the hilt yet hammer everything Arsenal/Wenger do even when its the same things. you make excuse after excuse for city and mourinho yet not for the team you claim to support. you barely seem to watch our matches despite us being top yet seem to see most of city's matches etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
you hammered wenger for selling our best player to united, despite one bad season, it doesn't mean they aren't rivals to us or chelsea yet chelsea's best player for the last two seasons is being sold to them yet because its mourinho, suddenly he isn't that good a player or mourinho is that good he can cope with mata if he plays for united.
ask yourself this, if AW was selling Cazorla to united right now because we had cover, and he never played, would you be defending AW like you are mourinho now? would you fuck