Made for them, then. Barca DNA.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
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Made for them, then. Barca DNA.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
I was just watching Wenger's press conference and it sounds to me as if Ox has already decided to leave, hardly a surprise. Wenger sounds desperate with his rhetoric about wanting to build the team around OX in the future and that OX has a duty to stay and whatnot because we have invested a lot of time in him.
I wouldn't be surprised if we sold both Ox and Alexis before the window closes, they both clearly want out.
There are a lot of rumours flying around that Lemar will go to United, they have been linked with him on/off over the past few weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Watch Wenger closely during that press conference. It's obvious when he's lying. He's all smiles and smirks and his language falls apart when he's telling his tired old lies. But then watch him when he's speaking about other clubs, the smiles and smirks vanish and he starts speaking with clarity. In that interview he lied and obfuscated on Mustafi, Ox, Alexis and Lemar. But he was all the business when talking about Coutinho.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Ox needs to save his career and just leave this club. Iwobi needs to do the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
2 more seasons under Wenger will pretty much end whatever promise he has.
Ideal or No Deal.
Would love it if they signed him, would make Wenger look even more of a fraud than he already is.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Reports from various sources saying Ox has rejected a 180k offer and is determined to get out of Arsenal to further his England career. Makes perfect sense, unfortunately. Even more unfortunate is the suggestion we're prepared to sell him to the chavs for as little as 25 mill. In this market he'll be instantly worth 60 mill when he signs a new contract. Wenger has done it again, ruined the progress of a young prospect and managed to cash out at the lowest valuation. That could be because the guy is the biggest dickhead in football.
Ox
Gibbs
Theo
Wilshere
Chambers
Afobe
Akpom
and soon the Ramsey saga will start.
Wenger, you fucking legend.
have to agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
seeing it now with Bellerin.
Not sure why people are moaning, we're in an ideal situation!
If people keep on complaining like this it may cost us the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
It would be ironic if we lost Ox-Chamberlain, for years we held on to him when he really wasn't doing much and the minute he starts to become top class he's got one year left and can pretty much walk away.
Never had that problem with Walcott who has been sh*t all his all career and we've kept offering new contracts to.
This club really is sh*t.
You know my thoughts on Walcott. We’ve had the debate plenty of times about him being suited to playing up front. But putting aside the technical comparisons, in terms of the style of play and type of striker, he’s similar to Lacazette. Again, I’m not comparing their technical ability, just how they play up front. He should have been developed into a classic number 9. It has made no sense to play Theo as a winger when it’s clear he doesn’t have the skillset for that role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
My guess is that Wenger has never fancied the classic number 9 sort of player or has had bad luck with them when he’s signed them. He got Ian Wright out of the team pretty quickly, never signed Jermain Defore despite the Wright comparisons, had a bad experience with Jeffers, Suker wasn’t what we expected, etc. When we have signed that sort of player, he’s been reluctant to play them. Eduardo had way too many games playing wide, we bought Vela because of his strike record with the Mexico youth team but he ended up playing wide and lord knows why Park and Perez were never given a chance.
Walcott really should have moved on ages ago if he valued his development over money. As things stand, he has no place in the team since and is still at a stage where he’s having to prove himself despite scoring 19 goals last season. Ox not signing a new deal is the right thing for his career. Here is a kid with everything in his locker technically and physically. He can pass, shoot, dribble, strong on the ball, gets back to defend….all the problems with his game are mental. It’s his decision making that lets him down and that’s down to bad coaching. What is he being taught? That’s why he needs to go.
Chances are Ox was waiting on Wenger's decision. People who know him say he likes it at Arsenal, he's settled. And yet he won't sign a contract. What does that tell you? Now he's been offered a big pay bump, if he still doesn't sign that will eliminate the money angle. My bet is he wants to get as far away from Wenger as possible. As does Alexis. As does Ozil. And because they are all in the driving seat they can bide their time. Contrary to Wenger's bullshit, it is the players who are in the ideal position having calmly outmanoeuvred the old fool.
Look at how ridiculous this all is.
Monaco wanted 50 mill for Lemar. 50 mill on the table would have got the deal done, well in advance of other clubs coming in and depleting the Monaco squad. Wenger's excuses are bullshit, as always.
Alexis wanted 300k. Slap that on the table and he's signed, a massive boost going into the new season. With Lacazette in, Lemar following and Alexis signed, what's the bets Ox and Ozil would take that as an indicator the club was finally getting its shit in gear?
And Ox wanted parity. A smaller offer than the one Wenger has painfully crawled to might have done the job six months ago. Stick 140 on the table and show the player you are interested in him, he's in your plans, you want him to stay. Instead, another crawl to the worst possible outcome.
It's a joke. You make one mistake and that's acceptable, everyone makes a mistake. Make two and that's careless. Make the same fucking mistake a third time in short order and that's outright incompetence.
Wenger should have been sacked for this contract farce alone.
Why is the fucker still here? It's outrageous. WTF? What, exactly, would he have to do to get the shove? Burn the fucking place down?
Rumours building that Utd will step in and pay the asking price for Lemar. What a coup for Maureen if true. He'll be laughing has arse off at the old goat who wouldn't go an extra 5 mill in this crazy market to get his supposed number one target.
Fucking cheapskate. Well, I erm, you know, little bit, if we can find qualiteeee we will do it, there is no qualiteeee, it will kill Gibbs, please pay me 8 million quid...
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
This would be hilarious and would leave a massive egg on Wengers' face as he said Monaco weren't willing to sell as they had sold others effectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I know your feeling about Walcott and you know mine so no point going over old ground, I think my point was really that Walcott really hasn't delivered for us whatever the reasons but we have been happy to offer him new contracts and keep him tied down, he's been here 10+ years now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
With Ox we kept him here but let him run down his contract when he started coming good which seems odd to me, we should have got him signed up last season during the season at the latest, we've had no issues signing up other players on long term contracts, players who aren't even good enough and yet with Ox who was very good last season we haven't.
What a terrible oversight and now he'll be able to walk away for free next summer just like Sanchez and why wouldn't he. We've basically waste a load of money allowing him to develop and when he starts to show signs of becoming top class allowed him to walk away, we clearly signed him for the future when we brought him in, when that future finally became the present we won't be reaping the rewards some other club will by the looks of it.
I don’t think Ox deserves a contract worth £130k if I’m going off his performances. I made a point last year about young players getting way too much too soon and Ox was included in that list along with Gibbs, Ramsey and Wilshere. If I’m being honest, this would be an example of the club doing something different and not handing out a new deal off the back of a purple patch in form. We’ve seen it with Theo, Bellerin and Ramsey, an explosion of great form, new contract comes in and then that form disappears. I can’t fault them for being cautious but I know this is just a one off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I think Ox has bags of potential, but I can’t even bring myself to say I want him to stay because he’s fucking up his career the longer he stays with Wenger. He’s now playing as a wingback for fucks sakes! He should be a central midfielder. Under different circumstances and I’d want him to stay but I don’t believe for a second that him staying will help us or his career. If he has any sense he’ll turn down every single offer they put in front of him.
Ox needs to understand where his strengths are. He absolutely doesn't have the skillset to play CM. Like Theo, he's best off on the right.
But he has the skillset to play left wingback? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
Over 5 seasons or so, both players have been really inconsistent and shouldn't be playing for Arsenal if you think we've seen them in their best position.
I'd complain but who'd listen....Ivan Gazidis?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
It's not like any of us actually believed this catalyst for change bunk when Wenger signed his new contract. You get the odd encouraging sign like you always do and then business as usual.
Well past the point where it actually bothers me. Goonersweb has slipped off my grouping of most frequently viewed sites on my laptop and phone browser. Big surprise
At a push. Never through the middle though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
Maybe both should be sold. I don't really see any room for Theo in the current setup. I wouldn't be upset to see Ox go IF IF IF he's replaced with a proper winger.
He won't be playing CM in chavland, he'll be wide. If he gets off the bench at all. Shitty move for him if he does it, but the England selection bias is probably what he wants to go there for. Suddenly the media will love him, he'll be the GOAT, great English talent, etc, etc. Only Utd would offer a greater profile boost.
All of these things are the building symptoms of Wenger's mismanagement in every area. The credibility and prestige of our club is running down the drain on a daily basis, everywhere except in Wenger's confused mind and on the beancounters' spreadsheets. When a club is moving forward on all fronts, even when there's a lack of trophies, the top players will come and will stay. We see this with Utd after the Moyes/ van Genius nightmares and with the chavs when they dropped to mid table. Didn't matter. Everyone knew changes would be made to correct the problems and money spent if necessary. Opposite story at Arsenal. Everyone knows what you see is what you'll get for every minute of every day that Wenger stays. He's slowly strangled the club. Didn't he say he'd leave if it ever got to the point he couldn't help us?
Liar.
Ox turns down 180k a week deal. He can do one
Still, it shows it's not about the money. Only one reason he wants out then. The W word. Don't blame him at all. Two more years under the master's expert guidance and he'd be in Theoland wondering where his career went.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralpheroo72
It's a mess of epic proportions, we are the new LeedsQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
He wants to move on just like Sanchez.
The ones we want to get rid of don't want to move on though, on too much money for doing nothing. Next summer after another rubbish season of a few thumpings, collapses and no silverware of note we'll lose two of our better players, then we'll go through the summer signing 1 maybe 2 players (one will be a cheap nobody) and Wenger will be convinced the squad is good enough.
The following year it'll be time to discuss Wenger's contract again, he'll play it coy knowing everyone wants him to leave but also fully aware he'll be signing up again as he looks after number 1, then the summer will come he'll whinge all summer about the cost and no player being available and sign one or two players (one being a cheap nobody).
This will carry on until he leaves, in that time we'll keep losing our better players once they discover they've been duped and that the club has zero ambition and sees being losers as success.
:lol: I've read some dumb things on here, but this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralpheroo72
Dumb, how? We are regressing steadily. Our so called star players want out, with bigger clubs ready to swoop. Leeds may have been an extreme example, but look at where we are now, a jumped up cup team being led by a a clueless board and manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
There's definitive proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/43029...arsenal-badge/
Case close, I'm afraid.
Aurier to spuds for 23 mill.
You'd be happy for us to pay him £180k a week? It's not our money but it's not smart management. We've handled him and load of other young players wrong for a while now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralpheroo72
I reckon Ox could be very good under a decent manager who knows exactly how he wants to use him.
No point of him staying here if he's destined to be a utility man, if he's got any ambition he'll go.
Latest rumour, Arsenal pretending to go for Van Dijk. Value of underbid has not been disclosed.
Just a few more days to go until the window closes. This Van Dijk pretence could take us over the line and if we can flog Gibbs, Ox and a couple more we'll actually be in lovely, lovely profit.
Good pace, strength and the best crosser of the ball we have
For me his best position has always been on the right wing, can he cut inside yeah but Wenger is obsessed with putting square pegs in round holes.
And just imagine if the gypos really do bid 70 mill for Alexis. This could end up as our most successful transfer window ever.
I think the problem with our defence is not the personnel it's the set up. Koscielny and Mustafi are good, Holding is still bit rough round the edges but is learning. Mertesacker is good to have for experience....would personally have got rid of Chambers and kept Skeletor who also plays well when he gets a run in the side. But I imagine that's more to do with the homegrown quotient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Having a weak as piss midfield won't solve our defensive problems even if we buy the best defenders in the world.
Ramsey, Xhaka are not strong enough and not quick enough to deal with a high press
Coquelin is a one trick pony who is not premier league quality and Elneny is a decent squad player but that's it.
No, not happy. He can do one, but his situation highlights how badly the club is being run. Manager playing people out of position, and not addressing ongoing recurring issues. Arsenal is being run by fuckwits, its like the spuds have planted operatives in our club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
It's easy to say what his best position is when you haven't seen him play in the middle for a long enough period.