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23-01-2012, 12:16 PM
Letters

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Originally Posted by Syn

I don't think I said that.

Sorry, it was TEG. :youpeoplealllookthesame:
23-01-2012, 12:17 PM
Kano

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Originally Posted by Letters

Both. I don't think the Europa league offers either so frankly my dear I don't give a crap if we qualify for that. As Syn says I don't think the potential detrimental effect the extra games could have on the squad is offset by the prestige of being in the competition. With the CL it is, IMO.

if looked at from a pure uk perspective, which is ridiculosly snobbish but partly understandable due to being so spoilt with cl football success in the this country.

if you are in europe in any capacity, then you stay in the hunt for at least some of the talented guys around europe. europe is still very interested in this competition and rightly so, and it is pivotal for the progression of this club to remain in europe.
23-01-2012, 12:20 PM
Boss

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

if looked at from a pure uk perspective, which is ridiculosly snobbish but partly understandable due to being so spoilt with cl football success in the this country.

if you are in europe in any capacity, then you stay in the hunt for at least some of the talented guys around europe. europe is still very interested in this competition and rightly so, and it is pivotal for the progression of this club to remain in europe.

Most of the decent players in Europe, at least the ones at a level of talent that we should be aiming for couldn't give a shit about the Europa League.
23-01-2012, 12:20 PM
Syn

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Originally Posted by Boss

I don't think that's unique to our youth and is probably true of a decent majority of players across the game. When you're at that level it's fair enough that you're going to look forward to some games more than others, games against the top teams and derby matches, for example. It's quite common that teams lower than us in the league will raise their games whenever they play the top four yet be complete shite against similar level opposition - see Swansea playing out of their skins against us (effort wise) vs being ineffective against Sunderland, Bolton being poor for most of the season yet destroying Liverpool, Norwich and Wolves having a decent ish games (performance wise if not results) against the top four compared to lower teams in the league. Look at Liverpool, who have been extremely poor against weaker teams this season but managed to pull out a top drawer performance against Citeh away.

Think most players motivation will drop for 'smaller' games, it's down to the manager to keep them motivated and make sure they're sent out to be professional. Ours patently isn't as good as motivating as others, but that's been discussed on here before.

Good point. But I think we still have a little advantage that a few of our youth players aren't just standard pub-team filth but very talented, technically-good players that have already shown they can compete with the best teams. We'll have talentless heroes like Jenkers mixed in with genuine quality of Szcznesy, Wilshere and Oxlade. But maybe I'm overhyping the youth and they're not that much better than those of the other teams.
23-01-2012, 12:23 PM
Kano

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Originally Posted by Boss

Most of the decent players in Europe, at least the ones at a level of talent that we should be aiming for couldn't give a shit about the Europa League.

people like hazard etc? those guys would not be turning down a europa league win.

no football player would dismiss a trophy and the chance to celebrate a hard earned victory. for some reason though fans want to insist that players think the same as them when we should really know by now that they don't.
23-01-2012, 12:24 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Boss

I don't think that's unique to our youth and is probably true of a decent majority of players across the game. When you're at that level it's fair enough that you're going to look forward to some games more than others, games against the top teams and derby matches, for example. It's quite common that teams lower than us in the league will raise their games whenever they play the top four yet be complete shite against similar level opposition - see Swansea playing out of their skins against us (effort wise) vs being ineffective against Sunderland, Bolton being poor for most of the season yet destroying Liverpool, Norwich and Wolves having a decent ish games (performance wise if not results) against the top four compared to lower teams in the league. Look at Liverpool, who have been extremely poor against weaker teams this season but managed to pull out a top drawer performance against Citeh away.

Think most players motivation will drop for 'smaller' games, it's down to the manager to keep them motivated and make sure they're sent out to be professional. Ours patently isn't as good as motivating as others, but that's been discussed on here before.

If the manager is not motivated the players he is not been motivated himself.
23-01-2012, 12:25 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

people like hazard etc? those guys would not be turning down a europa league win.

no football player would dismiss a trophy and the chance to celebrate a hard earned victory. for some reason though fans want to insist that players think the same as them when we should really know by now that they don't.

not if there on 250K a weeks wages no they would not.
23-01-2012, 12:27 PM
Kano

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

not if there on 250K a weeks wages no they would not.

i guess those at psg would then too by that insane logic, or you wouldn't find rio ferdinand celebrating a cc cup win.
23-01-2012, 12:30 PM
McNamara That Ghost...

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

not if there on 250K a weeks wages no they would not.

That's silly. When players notice another club win something, it instantly becomes more attractive - it's more likely we wouldn't be in this vicious cycle if we had been winning cups in the last seven years. Every player wants to win the Champions League; a bit of a generalisation but probably true but by the same token, most players probably want to win something.
23-01-2012, 12:31 PM
Boss

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

people like hazard etc? those guys would not be turning down a europa league win.

no football player would dismiss a trophy and the chance to celebrate a hard earned victory. for some reason though fans want to insist that players think the same as them when we should really know by now that they don't.

Top players want to play in Champions League, and if not that then play for a top team aiming to get there.

If we were in Europa League competing for Hazard, say with Chelsea who qualified for the Champions League, said player would join Chelsea because a) he wanted to play at the top level or b) they offered him more money. He'd join us if he felt we were a better club to win trophies with, offered him more money (unlikely) or were more likely to offer him things like a consistent run in the team / build our team around him.

If we were in the Europa League competing for a player like Hazard with say Liverpool who say weren't in the Europa League, it's not like Hazard would choose to join us over them simply because we were in the Europpa League. They'd look at prestige of the club, chances of top trophies in its near future and if not that, money offered.

It's not like players are more likely to join a club for a chance of winning the FA Cup, same thing with the EL.

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