Profit before transfers. Confirmed.

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

Well the board was ready to hold on, they gave in because AW wanted them to. What does this tell you? AW is a very powerful man at the club. All this posts which make him seem like a stupid cow caving into the board holding his balls regarding money is BS!

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Oh deah, so our board who employ the manager have less power then him, ok then, all it says to me is the board were happy to let cesc go after all they made their profit, ok they never got as much s they have liked but still knew that they would only be giving AW a small amountof that money for transfers.

How is it that arry can say to leavy that maybe they should let luka go, But Leavy was able to put his foot down and our board were not. Bunch of pussy's thats why. If they can't take on the manager as you say then they really need need GTFO our club now.

I agree Wenger should have had more backbone with cesc no denying that, but the board should have been more firm with him end off.

Wenger would have known letting fab go for a small price,would have meant him not having a big amout to spend on new transfers last summer, he took that gamble and it has not worked. However don't think PHW and his mates were too upset over it as most the money went in their pockets.

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Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over

I agree with the point about wanting Wenger to go back to his unearthing of undervalued/dissatisfied talent ala Henry and Viera (almost off the radar when AW picked them up) but these days even those come at a cost, just came off the transfer thread and adding how Sturridge would be a good buy, and I know he is a little bit more spotlight than Henry or Viera were but if rumours are to be believed he kind of fits the description!!!

However he would cost a fair whack and wages on top would scare us off.....Wenger/the board do not have that sense of risk - hell the original post says were the priorities still ride!!!

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Don't think he is on big wages at chavs though. Im sure once we sell Arshavin/NB/Vela/Denilson, we should have money for wages and transfers.

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Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over

I agree with the point about wanting Wenger to go back to his unearthing of undervalued/dissatisfied talent ala Henry and Viera (almost off the radar when AW picked them up) but these days even those come at a cost, just came off the transfer thread and adding how Sturridge would be a good buy, and I know he is a little bit more spotlight than Henry or Viera were but if rumours are to be believed he kind of fits the description!!!

However he would cost a fair whack and wages on top would scare us off.....Wenger/the board do not have that sense of risk - hell the original post says were the priorities still ride!!!

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What they are doing now seems really risky. I just can’t understand how someone can look at the squad and then look at the wage bill then think we’re getting value for money. This is why I hold Wenger responsible because he must be telling someone up there that these players are worth such wages. He has the technical knowledge and he’s telling everyone that these guys will be world beaters. People must believe him and agree to stump up the cash, but it’s bloody risky to bank on a kid with no experience. It’s all based on talent and potential.

With his old method, when scouting a player, at least he’d have more info to work with. The stats could hold up at least. But with these kids, we’re going on a few games at reserve or youth team level. It’s a bigger risk imo. We have the 4th highest wage bill in the league. Once they start seeing the wage bill in comparison to our league position, the pen pushers will probably start asking the right sorts of questions.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

We have the 4th highest wage bill in the league. Once they start seeing the wage bill in comparison to our league position, the pen pushers will probably start asking the right sorts of questions.

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studies have shown that wage bills usually correlate to league position, which at current spend is pretty spot on.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

studies have shown that wage bills usually correlate to league position, which at current spend is pretty spot on.

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We're outside of 4th at the mo.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

We're outside of 4th at the mo.

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But we finsished 4th last season though.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

We're outside of 4th at the mo.

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if we're not being pendantic about it, we're hardly a million miles away either.

This is why I say eventually and if the gap gets wider.

only time will tell us that but presently the wage spend is pretty accurate to league position, something the board are probably well aware of.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

only time will tell us that but presently the wage spend is pretty accurate to league position, something the board are probably well aware of.

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We just need to cull a load of deadwood, like Flavs has pointed out in the transfers thread.

If we can do that during in the summer, we can actually make 15-20million.

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Originally Posted by LDG

We just need to cull a load of deadwood, like Flavs has pointed out in the transfers thread.

If we can do that during in the summer, we can actually make 15-20million.

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two guesses where that dosh will go...

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

two guesses where that dosh will go...

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The transfer kitty, and cutting ticket prices :good:

take my advice, don't enter any q&a competitions anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

take my advice, don't enter any q&a competitions anytime soon.

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Yeah, missed out on a few cereal packet holidays, as I observed the waiting period before submitting my answers :(

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

We're outside of 4th at the mo.

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And we've had 5th highest wage bill since 09-10.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

only time will tell us that but presently the wage spend is pretty accurate to league position, something the board are probably well aware of.

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And that is my point, if the Board are only looking at the figures and correlating our wage bill with our league position, then of course, they won’t spot the weaknesses in our squad and the youth policy. They’re only looking at balance sheets and league position instead of what we’re putting out on the pitch.

Not sure what your position is on this, but I’ve come across people on here that have said the Board should have sacked Wenger years ago, but also correlate our league position with the wages and say it’s about right. From the Boards, perspective, if they have their heads buried in spreadsheets and figures, how can they justify sacking Wenger? Especially if he’s constantly delivered 4th place?

Developing young players is supposed to be a cheap option but this looks like a mismanagement of funds by the manager and it’s getting out of hand. If you look beyond the numbers, you can see that we’re not getting value for money here. We’ve overvalued a lot of players with those wages and we need to balance that out. But again, if we have a Board that have no idea about the technical side of football and can only correlate figures and approach the game with a statistical outlook, we’ll never fix the problem unless we continue to drop down the league table while the wages go up and up. That’s probably when a pen pusher upstairs will probably raise the question to Arsene.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

And that is my point, if the Board are only looking at the figures and correlating our wage bill with our league position, then of course, they won’t spot the weaknesses in our squad and the youth policy. They’re only looking at balance sheets and league position instead of what we’re putting out on the pitch.

Not sure what your position is on this, but I’ve come across people on here that have said the Board should have sacked Wenger years ago, but also correlate our league position with the wages and say it’s about right. From the Boards, perspective, if they have their heads buried in spreadsheets and figures, how can they justify sacking Wenger? Especially if he’s constantly delivered 4th place?

Developing young players is supposed to be a cheap option but this looks like a mismanagement of funds by the manager and it’s getting out of hand. If you look beyond the numbers, you can see that we’re not getting value for money here. We’ve overvalued a lot of players with those wages and we need to balance that out. But again, if we have a Board that have no idea about the technical side of football and can only correlate figures and approach the game with a statistical outlook, we’ll never fix the problem unless we continue to drop down the league table while the wages go up and up. That’s probably when a pen pusher upstairs will probably raise the question to Arsene.

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well the remit of any board or ceo is to sustain and increase the growth of the business, although it seems in this instance to be at the detriment of the actual product driving the finances.

they will be well aware that increased performance equals more money, so whether or not they understand the technical aspects of the game, they will certainly understand that principle. although there is no need to justify sacking wenger if they are happy with the status quo and squeezing into the top four every season.

I think it’s pretty unfair to say they are happy to squeeze into the top four and that they lack ambition. As seen from the Asia Tour, they are trying to find ways to increase revenue. The problem is, it will all go into wages if we continue with this silly project. It is a drain on our resources and someone up the top needs to look into this. The model doesn’t sound sustainable at all. Paying young players so much as such an early age results in the sort of fiasco we’re seeing with Theo. He’s not worth 90k but he’s due a wage increase and you can’t offer him a small increase on his current deal and expect him to accept it. Wages will go up and up.

Again, I think this is a mismanagement of funds and the only thing the Board can do is look to increase the revenue and close the gap. If they’re constantly listening to Wenger, then they probably think that we’re close – or punching above our weight, and that we need more revenue to compete with the very best and obviously, that will take several years to accomplish, hence....a top four position is acceptable.

But when you look down on the pitch and how silly it gets down there because of his decisions and tactics, it’s clear that money isn’t the only issue. We're spending in the wrong places.

That's the problem, the board only see us as a business, and football as a "product". I'm not expecting them to feel the same way about the club as fans do, but they are so completely out of touch that they don't understand why the fans are so annoyed. Whatever you say about City's owners, they at least realise that football is much more than simply about profit margins, turnover, return on investment etc. Because of that, they've made it clear that they are ambitious in a football sense and want success, while our board are obsessed with the "sustainable" model and behaving as if it makes us morally superior to City (although it doesn't, because the fans are the ones having to pay to maintain this sustainable model) Fans don't give a shit about the morally superior trophy. They realise that the club should operate within financial constraints of course, but it appears that the board are behaving like any reasonably successful business with a monopoly status (given that the fans aren't going to go off to support Tottenham) does, in other words not taking any risks and happy to maintain the status quo. But we are not simply a private sector enterprise, so this approach, although it might make sense for a pure business, doesn't make sense for a football club.

I see vinga has clarified his comments...Sorry can't seem to post the link....Fucking phone :angry:

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Originally Posted by LDG

I see vinga has clarified his comments...Sorry can't seem to post the link....Fucking phone :angry:

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iphone :pal:

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

iphone :pal:

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There's no app for your face :pal:

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Originally Posted by LDG

There's no app for your face :pal:

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http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thin...l&tid=24317182

:haha:

That needs super-imposing on redknapp :lol:

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thin...l&tid=24317182

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:lol:

Can't see it at work :(

Were you trying to link this from the Indy?

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Wenger said: "Do you think the target of the club is to lose money? It cannot last a long time, the target is to make profit.

"It looks to me normal for any company in the world, so I don't know why it is surprising.

"We want to pay the debt we owe from the stadium we built, that's around £15 million. So it's normal that at the start, we have to make at least £15 million or we lose money."

Wenger denied the need to service the debt on the move to Emirates Stadium tied his hands in the transfer market.

"I accept one basic principle for every company that you can spend the money you make," he said.

"It is just natural common sense and mathematical logic that what goes out has to equal what comes in. if that does not work then the company loses money."

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Wenger, meanwhile, insisted there would be no chance of Andrey Arshavin leaving for Russia, where the window remains open until the end of the month and reports have emerged of interest from Anzhi Makhachkala and former club Zenit St Petersburg.

The Arsenal manager said: "I expect him to be here after February 24 and that is clear."

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Wenger, meanwhile, insisted there would be no chance of Andrey Arshavin leaving for Russia, where the window remains open until the end of the month and reports have emerged of interest from Anzhi Makhachkala and former club Zenit St Petersburg.

The Arsenal manager said: "I expect him to be here after February 24 and that is clear."

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Why?? Sell the useless little fucker

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Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann

Were you trying to link this from the Indy?Also:

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Originally Posted by Flavs

Why?? Sell the useless little fucker

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Makes no sense to sell him now.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Makes no sense to sell him now.

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Why keep him he does fuck all?

We often get injuries and his assist ratio is pretty decent. The season isn't over and we'd loaned out Ryo. We can spend the money and it's not as if we will get a huge offer in now. Might as well wait until the summer.

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Originally Posted by dazthegooner

Why keep him he does fuck all?

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He gets assists as shown today and it's valuable. No point in selling just so the money can sit in the bank.

this is an absolutely huge summer for us, i know we say it every bleedin year but this year it really is.

we could have rvp leave, park leave, chamakh leave. the latter 2 going because of limited first team football.

that leaves us with no striker.

walcott, almunia, fabianski, squillaci, rosicky, arshavin.. most of them could all go. most are shite but it means we'll have no midfield.

on top of that yossi's loan finishes and henry's gone already.

squad depletion and asset stripping at its best.

it'll take years to recover from this.

truly fucked.

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

this is an absolutely huge summer for us, i know we say it every bleedin year but this year it really is.

we could have rvp leave, park leave, chamakh leave. the latter 2 going because of limited first team football.

that leaves us with no striker.

walcott, almunia, fabianski, squillaci, rosicky, arshavin.. most of them could all go. most are shite but it means we'll have no midfield.

on top of that yossi's loan finishes and henry's gone already.

squad depletion and asset stripping at its best.

it'll take years to recover from this.

truly fucked.

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Yep we need about 6-7 quality players just to compete with the top 3 and the European Elite. I think we will be seing quite a few exits this summer (incuding wenger) and Lots of incomings tbh.

The club has no excues not to sign quality this summer, there is no cesc or Nasri etc drama. They should have their targets now not when the Euros are on.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Yep we need about 6-7 quality players just to compete with the top 3 and the European Elite. I think we will be seing quite a few exits this summer (incuding wenger) and Lots of incomings tbh.

The club has no excues not to sign quality this summer, there is no cesc or Nasri etc drama. They should have their targets now not when the Euros are on.

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lets hope so.

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

this is an absolutely huge summer for us, i know we say it every bleedin year but this year it really is.

we could have rvp leave, park leave, chamakh leave. the latter 2 going because of limited first team football.

that leaves us with no striker.

walcott, almunia, fabianski, squillaci, rosicky, arshavin.. most of them could all go. most are shite but it means we'll have no midfield.

on top of that yossi's loan finishes and henry's gone already.

squad depletion and asset stripping at its best.

it'll take years to recover from this.

truly fucked.

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We could get Bendy back