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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    We just need to cull a load of deadwood, like Flavs has pointed out in the transfers thread.

    If we can do that during in the summer, we can actually make 15-20million.
    two guesses where that dosh will go...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz View Post
    two guesses where that dosh will go...
    The transfer kitty, and cutting ticket prices
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    take my advice, don't enter any q&a competitions anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz View Post
    take my advice, don't enter any q&a competitions anytime soon.
    Yeah, missed out on a few cereal packet holidays, as I observed the waiting period before submitting my answers
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    We're outside of 4th at the mo.
    And we've had 5th highest wage bill since 09-10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz View Post
    only time will tell us that but presently the wage spend is pretty accurate to league position, something the board are probably well aware of.

    And that is my point, if the Board are only looking at the figures and correlating our wage bill with our league position, then of course, they won’t spot the weaknesses in our squad and the youth policy. They’re only looking at balance sheets and league position instead of what we’re putting out on the pitch.

    Not sure what your position is on this, but I’ve come across people on here that have said the Board should have sacked Wenger years ago, but also correlate our league position with the wages and say it’s about right. From the Boards, perspective, if they have their heads buried in spreadsheets and figures, how can they justify sacking Wenger? Especially if he’s constantly delivered 4th place?

    Developing young players is supposed to be a cheap option but this looks like a mismanagement of funds by the manager and it’s getting out of hand. If you look beyond the numbers, you can see that we’re not getting value for money here. We’ve overvalued a lot of players with those wages and we need to balance that out. But again, if we have a Board that have no idea about the technical side of football and can only correlate figures and approach the game with a statistical outlook, we’ll never fix the problem unless we continue to drop down the league table while the wages go up and up. That’s probably when a pen pusher upstairs will probably raise the question to Arsene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    And that is my point, if the Board are only looking at the figures and correlating our wage bill with our league position, then of course, they won’t spot the weaknesses in our squad and the youth policy. They’re only looking at balance sheets and league position instead of what we’re putting out on the pitch.

    Not sure what your position is on this, but I’ve come across people on here that have said the Board should have sacked Wenger years ago, but also correlate our league position with the wages and say it’s about right. From the Boards, perspective, if they have their heads buried in spreadsheets and figures, how can they justify sacking Wenger? Especially if he’s constantly delivered 4th place?

    Developing young players is supposed to be a cheap option but this looks like a mismanagement of funds by the manager and it’s getting out of hand. If you look beyond the numbers, you can see that we’re not getting value for money here. We’ve overvalued a lot of players with those wages and we need to balance that out. But again, if we have a Board that have no idea about the technical side of football and can only correlate figures and approach the game with a statistical outlook, we’ll never fix the problem unless we continue to drop down the league table while the wages go up and up. That’s probably when a pen pusher upstairs will probably raise the question to Arsene.
    well the remit of any board or ceo is to sustain and increase the growth of the business, although it seems in this instance to be at the detriment of the actual product driving the finances.

    they will be well aware that increased performance equals more money, so whether or not they understand the technical aspects of the game, they will certainly understand that principle. although there is no need to justify sacking wenger if they are happy with the status quo and squeezing into the top four every season.

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    I think it’s pretty unfair to say they are happy to squeeze into the top four and that they lack ambition. As seen from the Asia Tour, they are trying to find ways to increase revenue. The problem is, it will all go into wages if we continue with this silly project. It is a drain on our resources and someone up the top needs to look into this. The model doesn’t sound sustainable at all. Paying young players so much as such an early age results in the sort of fiasco we’re seeing with Theo. He’s not worth 90k but he’s due a wage increase and you can’t offer him a small increase on his current deal and expect him to accept it. Wages will go up and up.

    Again, I think this is a mismanagement of funds and the only thing the Board can do is look to increase the revenue and close the gap. If they’re constantly listening to Wenger, then they probably think that we’re close – or punching above our weight, and that we need more revenue to compete with the very best and obviously, that will take several years to accomplish, hence....a top four position is acceptable.

    But when you look down on the pitch and how silly it gets down there because of his decisions and tactics, it’s clear that money isn’t the only issue. We're spending in the wrong places.

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    That's the problem, the board only see us as a business, and football as a "product". I'm not expecting them to feel the same way about the club as fans do, but they are so completely out of touch that they don't understand why the fans are so annoyed. Whatever you say about City's owners, they at least realise that football is much more than simply about profit margins, turnover, return on investment etc. Because of that, they've made it clear that they are ambitious in a football sense and want success, while our board are obsessed with the "sustainable" model and behaving as if it makes us morally superior to City (although it doesn't, because the fans are the ones having to pay to maintain this sustainable model) Fans don't give a shit about the morally superior trophy. They realise that the club should operate within financial constraints of course, but it appears that the board are behaving like any reasonably successful business with a monopoly status (given that the fans aren't going to go off to support Tottenham) does, in other words not taking any risks and happy to maintain the status quo. But we are not simply a private sector enterprise, so this approach, although it might make sense for a pure business, doesn't make sense for a football club.

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    I see vinga has clarified his comments...Sorry can't seem to post the link....Fucking phone
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