What's the point getting 4th place?

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20-02-2012, 07:47 PM
LDG

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Originally Posted by GB.

Wow, we used to call the Spuds hysterical.

:lol:

Tbf, I'm happy to concede to most spuddy that they're the better team. Let them have their fun. We've had plenty over the last 15 years.

Won't be long before it's back the other way again.

A brief foray out of the shadow, if you will.
20-02-2012, 07:55 PM
Syn

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Originally Posted by LDG

:lol:Tbf, I'm happy to concede to most spuddy that they're the better team. Let them have their fun. We've had plenty over the last 15 years.Won't be long before it's back the other way again.A brief foray out of the shadow, if you will.

Shouldn't be happy to concede just yet. A long way to go. 36 points to play for to make up a 7 point gap after Sunday. I think we are shit. But I also think that making up that difference is do-able.
20-02-2012, 07:59 PM
fakeyank

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Originally Posted by Syn

Shouldn't be happy to concede just yet. A long way to go. 36 points to play for to make up a 13 point gap after Sunday. I think we are shit. But I also think that making up that difference is do-able.

Just corrected your little mistake
20-02-2012, 08:08 PM
LDG

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Originally Posted by Syn

Shouldn't be happy to concede just yet. A long way to go. 36 points to play for to make up a 7 point gap after Sunday. I think we are shit. But I also think that making up that difference is do-able.

Ever the optimist me :good:
20-02-2012, 08:11 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by LDG

Ever the optimist me :good:

Nah thats Ollie
20-02-2012, 08:13 PM
LDG

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Nah thats Ollie

rofl
20-02-2012, 08:42 PM
Gubby Allen

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Originally Posted by Champagne Charlie

Personally I want to see us playing against the best teams in the world. Yeah, granted we’ve struggled when up against the top teams in recent seasons, but I’d still rather be playing these games than not. The 2-1 win against Barcelona at home last season was by far the best night we’ve had at the emirates. Why would people not want to see us playing in games like that again?

But we rarely do. This is as much a point about the Champions League, as Arsenal in the Champions League. You ponce about with the most mind numbingly dull group games against one of Sparta or Slavia Prague, Locomotiv Plovdiv & the glamour tie against the champions of Belgium or Portugal. It won't become remotely interesting until the 2nd leg of the quarter final, once the crap have been shat out of it. Until that point, I'm not sure a C.L game would make my top 45 eagerly anticipated Arsenal matches a season.

As great as that Barca 2-1 game was, it was effecitvely going in at half-time 2-1 up. No different to battering Newcastle and going in 4-0 up.

Sure we've enjoyed some belting games in it in the past, the Milan, Madrid wins will live forever, but you can't be enjoying this at the moment. In our last two knock-out games in the tournament itself, it's not an exaggeration to say that we have barely got out of our half and looked completely out of our depth with no sign of it changing.

We have such an enormous squad - over 50 players who've made a first team appearance, I'm not sure us finishing 6th or 7th would improve us but a season in the Europa League for Coquelin, Myachi, Frimpong, Jenkinson, Lansbury, Vela, Aneke - who otherwise, would not get a minute and would be shipped out on loan, might be beneficial in the long term.
20-02-2012, 08:57 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Gubby Allen

But we rarely do. This is as much a point about the Champions League, as Arsenal in the Champions League. You ponce about with the most mind numbingly dull group games against one of Sparta or Slavia Prague, Locomotiv Plovdiv & the glamour tie against the champions of Belgium or Portugal. It won't become remotely interesting until the 2nd leg of the quarter final, once the crap have been shat out of it. Until that point, I'm not sure a C.L game would make my top 45 eagerly anticipated Arsenal matches a season.

As great as that Barca 2-1 game was, it was effecitvely going in at half-time 2-1 up. No different to battering Newcastle and going in 4-0 up.

Sure we've enjoyed some belting games in it in the past, the Milan, Madrid wins will live forever, but you can't be enjoying this at the moment. In our last two knock-out games in the tournament itself, it's not an exaggeration to say that we have barely got out of our half and looked completely out of our depth with no sign of it changing.

We have such an enormous squad - over 50 players who've made a first team appearance, I'm not sure us finishing 6th or 7th would improve us but a season in the Europa League for Coquelin, Myachi, Frimpong, Jenkinson, Lansbury, Vela, Aneke - who otherwise, would not get a minute and would be shipped out on loan, might be beneficial in the long term.

With the CL to win it you need a good sqaud but also a bit of luck along the way, if we got an easy draw there is nout to say we can't win it. We may have a better chance of winning the Europa league. Bit we don't have a right to just turn up and think we can win that, because there are some good teams when it comes down to the serious end of business.

Every club wants to be in the CL whether they win it or not.
20-02-2012, 09:13 PM
Marc Overmars

There aren't many easy draws once the knockouts kick in. You might be able to get away with a 2nd round pub team (although we weren't afforded such luck this year), but after that you're bound to run into a string of top teams en route to the final. What's evident is that we always fail once we need to step it up a gear. Milan in 2008 is the only tie we've risen to the occasion for since 2006. Otherwise we always lose the big ones. Liverpool, United, Barca, likely to be Milan this year. Our wins over 2 legs have come against Roma, Villarreal and Porto...that's our level really. Wenger has never really cracked this competition and I suspect he never will. Course I would absolutley splaff my pants if we ever won the CL, but I just find it demoralising knowing our limits and having no belief the team can compete on this stage.
20-02-2012, 09:44 PM
Özim

We don't have a cat in hells chance of winning the CL, not even through luck because we don't have an efficient and well drilled team, we know we don't have the talent but to be able to knockout superior teams you need discipline, good tactics, work rate, desire and a never say die atttitude we have none of those.

I hate the CL it's a waste of time and a bore and watching us getting outclassed every season once we get to the knockout stages is not fun, qualifying for it also maintains this pipedream that we can win it (particularly in Wenger's head).
20-02-2012, 09:46 PM
Xhaka Can’t

We also need magic jellybeans instead of that stupid hat.
20-02-2012, 09:58 PM
Letters

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Originally Posted by GB.

We also need magic jellybeans instead of that stupid hat.

Are you pissed again? ™
20-02-2012, 10:11 PM
Xhaka Can’t

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Originally Posted by Letters

Are you pissed again? ™

That magic hat hasn't done anything in years.

If you can think of anything better than magic jellybeans, be my guest.
20-02-2012, 10:13 PM
GP

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Originally Posted by GB.

That magic hat hasn't done anything in years.

If you can think of anything better than magic jellybeans, be my guest.

Magical Trevor?
20-02-2012, 10:18 PM
Xhaka Can’t

MT 4 manager!
20-02-2012, 11:05 PM
fakeyank

Absolutely no point being 4th. One reason why it was something that would've helped us is financially but we all know the money won't be spent. Oh and not to forget the embarrassing losses every season the moment we play the first decent side.
We should just concentrate on the fa cup and see if we can win that.
21-02-2012, 12:20 AM
Coney

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Those are some pretty lame bragging rights.

It stopped his banter. Job done. Mind you, if manu win the title again, it will be unbearable.
21-02-2012, 12:24 AM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

We don't have a cat in hells chance of winning the CL, not even through luck because we don't have an efficient and well drilled team, we know we don't have the talent but to be able to knockout superior teams you need discipline, good tactics, work rate, desire and a never say die atttitude we have none of those.

I hate the CL it's a waste of time and a bore and watching us getting outclassed every season once we get to the knockout stages is not fun, qualifying for it also maintains this pipedream that we can win it (particularly in Wenger's head).

Yep becuase the Europa league would be far more interesting to watch and a joy when we get knocked out by porto in the semi's. No one wants to see us playing some shite russian side.
21-02-2012, 12:28 AM
Cripps_orig

No one wants to see us get our asses handed to us by the first decent team we face in the CL either
21-02-2012, 12:32 AM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Ach

No one wants to see us get our asses handed to us by the first decent team we face in the CL either

You have a point, but i rather get beatern by Barca in the CL then Valencia in the Europa league. No point saying the club is not ambitous if you want to settle fot it being in the Europa league.
21-02-2012, 12:35 AM
Cripps_orig

Losing is losing.

Seeing as we are less likely to lose in the EL although with Wenger in charge, we'd lose to some team from the outer reaches of Leichtenstein or Scotland, countries of that calibre so it doesnt make a difference.

Moral of the story - Wenger out
21-02-2012, 12:37 AM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Ach

Losing is losing.

Seeing as we are less likely to lose in the EL although with Wenger in charge, we'd lose to some team from the outer reaches of Leichtenstein or Scotland, countries of that calibre so it doesnt make a difference.

Moral of the story - Wenger out

Exactly if were gonna loose in the El we may as well loose in the CL.
21-02-2012, 12:38 AM
Cripps_orig

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Exactly if were gonna loose in the El we may as well loose in the CL.

We might go further in the EL though
21-02-2012, 12:44 AM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Ach

We might go further in the EL though

We probs might and we may not win it, don't mean we should settle for it, but i suppose this is what the club has sank too.
21-02-2012, 12:30 PM
Coney

http://www.talksport.co.uk/sites/def...nPotTrophy.JPG

4th place trophy.
21-02-2012, 02:23 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by MaxPeck

http://www.talksport.co.uk/sites/def...nPotTrophy.JPG

4th place trophy.

:haha:

:bow: Wumger
21-02-2012, 02:48 PM
Kano

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Exactly if were gonna loose in the El we may as well loose in the CL.

exactly. let's scrap all but 3/4 teams for the CL, similar for the world cup and 18 teams in the PL. the others will never have a hope of winning it so why bother?

let's just stick to the realistic winners and have done.
21-02-2012, 02:51 PM
Flavs

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Originally Posted by Joker

Whenever we've faced a decent side in the Champions League recently, we've gone out. Yes, we can make it out of the group phase comfortably, because the quality of opposition is so mediocre, but you know we'll struggle to get beyond the Quarter Finals these days. Yet Wenger acts as if qualification for this tournament is the holy grail. But what's the point if you're not even competing with the best teams in this tournament, and simply making up the numbers? Sure, smaller teams may just be happy to participate in the UCL, but we're meant to be a big club, and our move to the Emirates was supposed to facilitate our ascent to the top table of European football and become part of the elite. Instead, we've regressed so far that we are simply satisfied to qualify for the tournament, and pick up the money which is all the board and Wenger care about.

I don't give a shit about 4th place anymore, give me 5th/6th and an FA Cup win any day. The Arsenal Economists may think I'm talking bollocks, but I'm a fan at the end of the day, not an accountant worried about the financial costs and benefits of winning the FA Cup compared to qualifying for the UCL.

So you only want us to play in the champions league if we are going to win it?

Jeez, what a knob jockey
21-02-2012, 02:52 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

exactly. let's scrap all but 3/4 teams for the CL, similar for the world cup and 18 teams in the PL. they others will never have a hope of winning it so why bother?

let's just stick to the realistic winners and have done.

Yep we may as well let Barca keep the cup for the next 5 years and be done with it
21-02-2012, 02:53 PM
Flavs

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Originally Posted by GB.

We also need magic jellybeans instead of that stupid hat.

Funny that cos i was just thinking what a talent Miyachi and Le Coq look.
21-02-2012, 03:06 PM
Joker

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Originally Posted by Flavs

So you only want us to play in the champions league if we are going to win it?

Jeez, what a knob jockey

I didn't say that did I? I was talking about COMPETING against the best teams in the competition, rather than limply exiting the competition in the 2nd round/quarter finals. All the club hierarchy talk about is qualifying for the Champions League, never about actually trying to win it. I'm not saying we should win the tournament every season, that's impossible because there are too many top sides. It's about showing some ambition in terms of our signings so that we can actually give it a go. That's what football should be about. If Wenger had shown more ambition, and made it clear he was looking to win the Champions League and backed it up with top quality signings, then people wouldn't complain so much. We may not have won it even then, but at least the effort was there.
21-02-2012, 08:06 PM
Coney

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Originally Posted by Flavs

So you only want us to play in the champions league if we are going to win it?

Jeez, what a knob jockey

:haha: Spat my coffee

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