No but none of them are dumb enough to post nonsense about this Run like you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
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No but none of them are dumb enough to post nonsense about this Run like you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
3rd actually lol. But your right, we should be challenging for trophies that much is real and that is what we'd all like to see. But nothing is going to change between now and summer(as in Aw won't go) so only choice fans have is to support this club for the rest of the season. If we fail to get 4th then fine Wenger out even if we get 4th the board have to think hard if they feel he is the right man and the direction of the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
If they stick with him and he changes his ways ill back him to the hill as our manager.
And what nonsense would this be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
That Wenger wont buy quality?
I hope to god im proved wrong. History and Wenger suggests i wont be.
Like you say history will tell us he won't no problem with that, just found it odd you seemed upset that we was on this run, because it may make wenger feel like he has a team etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Ill be happy to see this run go on, not because i think AW is going to change and spend lots not because it will bring us success but its because its the team i love and even though the pressure is off its good to see the fight. This lot could have gave in and went on holidays but they never and for that i'm proud of the effort.
Once the season is over we can only hope the board and AW see light, whether it be him deciding to leave/them sacking him or the club changing its attitude. What ever happend as long as its right for the team id back it even if it mean we got Jose.
I get your gist but I think in our case, we have the advantage of profit hungry board members who would definitely pay some attention to any form of reduced revenue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Didn't he sign Theo? :whistle:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
That was in January tbfQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Think people should do one and are free too but no one seems to want too.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshGooner
Isnt it interesting that these last few wins come after we have been knocked out of every competition? Now some are saying: there is something different about this team, the mentality is different, there is more steel etc...No there isnt lol. The pressure is off for the most part, yes we have 3rd/4th to play for but thats what we play for EVERY season. We have imploded at pretty much every opportunity we have had. This season is not different from any other season other than the fact that we have one RVP who has been scoring for fun. Wenger has changed hardly anything and we are no better than we have been in past seasons. So why should he stay? **awaits someone to mention point totals from past seasons**
If you want him to stay for reasons other than what goes on, on the pitch than I would like to be enlightened as to what he offers in this respect. Wenger has signed lots of mediocre players, let the quality ones go for cheap and have signed lots of awful contracts of late. He also has a pop at the fans when ever any of his decisions gets questioned and could care less about what hardworking people who put lots of money into the club think. For me hes turned into a massive wanker in the present. I will never forget what he has done at Arsenal and he will always be a legend but presently hes waaaaaayyyy past it.
Id love to have someone like Moyes here. The guy spends very littlle and still gets the best out of his players. I could only imagine what he would do with more resources, I reckon he could do a better job than Wenger does on the pitch these days, easily.
I feel very proud to be be an Arsenal fan when the media discuss long-standing managers and Wenger is there, a comfortable second, behind Ferguson. For the best part of 16 years, he has been successful (albeit RELATIVELY successful in more recent years to big-spending clubs in the league), he has hauled Arsenal into a brand, spanking new f***-off stadium and he has had to deal with an incredibly xenophobic, hounding press.
All this being said, it seems absurd to want to kick him to the kerb, to sack him with nothing, especially based on recent performances and particularly if he can guarantee Champions League football in the very same close season that he was given his P45 (something that other club managers ?Dalglish? would be lauded for)
I'd hope (and this is a far cry from what I was thinking in August and January) that in an ideal world, Wenger would be privy (OK, I don't even know what that means) to picking his own successor and that we could be patient with a new man at the helm. I'd also like to think that a new guy would be as passionate about the club as Wenger is. Whether we're on a bad run or a good'un, it's clear as day that AW has the very best interests of the club at heart.
While pride has been lifted a little, it would probably be best for Wenger to just step away and retire. I can't see us winning anything under him again.
Take the two Milan games as an example. When under pressure for the first tie, we buckled badly. Everyone had written off our chances and the pressure was off. Second tie, the team score 3 goals in the first half and some pride has been restored, but the pressure to get the 4th goal was too much for them and we were nervy in the 2nd half. That's the story of our last few years.
Judging by the swing in this poll to the last one, a lot of people have feigned their discontent IMHO.
Yep sack the ****
Or a lot of people have maybe changed their minds or are unsure as to what to feel/think about the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Is that not aloud on goonersweb?
Pressure?
Of course there's pressure.
With 80% of Arsenal fans baying for blood post Milan / Sunderland, this team were under immense pressure, not only to get us out of the slump, but to go and beat our local rivals who have been crowing their cockerel arses off, and to stop rotting off down to mid-table.
The pressure has been massive. And if you can't feel that, given the outpouring of relief, extacy and pride at the recent results, then you don't really have your heart in it yourself.
We should be doing better. There is no doubt about that. And I think this time round, there is no room for error. If we collapse again and fail to buy, nobody will believe in this set up. 100% of fans will want Wenger out. Pure and simple.
But if we carry on the way we have just recently and do the business we need to in summer, he should stay and see where we get to.
You can bet your house that the people now saying there's been no great pressure on recent games would have been the first to say we'd 'bottled it' had we lost those games. Some people have a clear anti-Wenger agenda and will do anything to belittle or dismiss any good run of form lest they inadvertently give him any credit.
the return of two fit full backs has helped massively as well and the form of Rosicky. Great timing for the team and the manager
Well yeah. It's nice to have players playing, fit and on form. These things do make a difference :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Flavs
Of course it is mate, people are perfectly entitled to their own opinion. I just believe that if 4 games is enough to 'change' an opinion on removing the manager, then one can't have felt strongly enough about it in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
I don't remember a huge clamouring for his sacking at the turn of the year when our win vs QPR put us 4th. A few games then seemed to be enough to sour a lot of people's moods. This season has been a roller-coaster during which my mood about the team and manager have been all over the shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
The clamour might not have been there but personally I've felt we've needed a change all season, that's always been an underlying feeling. Wenger made a terrible mistake in not anticipating the departures of Nasri and Fabregas and we suffered for it, that's when I really felt it's probably time for him to go. The form of the team has had no bearing because I believe strongly enough now that Wenger's time is up. Only a drastic improvment was going to change that, by that I mean a title challenge and a cup run, neither of which have happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I'll be the first to hold my hands up if we're here this time next year competing for honours, I'd love for Wenger to succeed again with us but I don't see it happening for him now. The last few weeks have been awesome but it's also left me confused and wondering why we aren't competitive enough when it matters. Ok you can argue that 4th place matters and we've done well to haul ourselves into contention for that but is that really the height of what we can hope to achieve now?
So your saying a few fans are fickle? Personally alot of this AW out stuff is Knee Jerk imo. There are a few posters who genuinely want him out and are right in the reasons but there are also those who will say things in heat which they won't say 2 weeks later when the dust is settled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Its not a few games though is it, its the cyclical nature of our team and how they perform. Even bringing in all this experience hasn't stopped it.
Start slow...get real good...be shit for a while...good...really good...really really really shit....better....best.....die at the end.
Its been the same season after season for the last 5 years ffs. We always have shit loads of injuries, always get buried in awful PR propaganda from the club and always suffer the same bullshit from Wenger and Gazidis and nothing really changes, we still flatter to deceive that we are a good side and then just when you have a smile on your face and a spring in your step up pop Hull or WBA to beat us at home.
Totally agree, id say getting 3rd would be an achievement as people did not think we'd even finsish top 7 at xmas tbh. No way id say its Success though. For me id love us to succeed under wenger but having seen the mistakes he had made and not corrected them had made me skeptical to think, he can change his ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Don't think he will be sacked it will never happen but id like him to walk away with pride.
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Originally Posted by Flavs
One thing fans do, season after season, is hope. I've always got excited about a new season, though this year was different. I was worried, big time.
But this lot have me hoping again. And,when you start getting that feeling, as a fan, nothing can stop me dreaming.
We may well collapse again. We may well buy two unknown french africans in the transfer window.
I'd rather think positive and take the positives from the last few games. The fans CAN help the team. And the unwavering support from the home crowd just recently, has gone hand in hand with the players performance. Likewise the effort has made the fans get behind them.
If there is one thing we can learn, is that we're all in it together, and rather than cast doubt, or stipulate a change in management, I'd rather keep the vibe going until the end of the season. And Wenger is right in that....we ALL need to do it together as a club. We may lose a game or two, but I think we should also remember that we have a part to play, win lose or draw, to keep getting behind the team, like we did, 4-0 down to Milan, without a hope.
Get in there Arsenal :scarf:
Sensible stuff. People can talk about us being fickle if we are now in two minds about wenger after 5 games, but its simple really - the manner in which the team has played, and the spirit that they have shown demonstrates that the manager has not lost his players, and that Wenger has not forgotten how to make a team tick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
People grumble about CL football being regarded as an achievement - but we have to look at our current league position in context. It is almost impossible to compete with Citeh's wealth - the fact that Manure have been able to do so is a testament to the talent of the best British manager the country has ever seen - and even Manure are considerably better resourced than we are. Behind them - well we are just a point behind the team that have been the media's darlings all season, and who have repeatedly been described as having a far better/deeper squad than we have. Not bad going for what has been our worst season in recent years. Behind us are the Chavs - who have shown precisely what can happen when you decide a change of manager is the solution to underperformance...and look at Liverpool who appointed a club legend as manager, have spent shit-loads and may well not be playing European football at all next season.
We have to accept that the league is ever more competetive. If a new manager were to come in and finish 3rd or 4th any sensible fan would regard that as a decent achievement.
Also, we have to look at other factors. People bemoan our lack of consistency, pointing out that we have had good runs before and then the wheels have come off. Well, they have never come off sufficiently for us to lose a European place. Unlike Spurs. Unlike Liverpool. Unlike possibly the Chavs this season. We do need to keep things in context.
Then look at what we have had to contend with this season. Our captain and best player, and another 2 important players leaving over the Summer, in very disruptive circumstances. Even Citeh would have struggled if they had lost Ya Ya Toure and Silva. What if Manure had lost Rooney and Valencia? Even with resources, your best players are difficult to replace, and them leaving will disrupt/weaken a team - at least temporarily. And thats before we even get to our season-long injury crisis. We have lost arguably our best midfielder for the entire season, and played half the season without a left back. Its no coincidence that our team looks far more balanced and far more threatening with Gibbs and Sagna back.
We rightly criticise the manager's decision making - and we had a miserable Summer, and have suffered from Wenger's stubbornness in not ringing in proper cover - particularly up front (although that particular gamble has worked so far). But lets in fairness look at the things he has got right. We criticise his perserverance with the likes of Ramsey, Djourou, Walcott - but he perservered also with RVP and Rosicky through years of injury. He seems to have bought duds in Chamakh; Park but Koscielny; Oxlade; Arteta; Mertesacker have all been shrewd signings. Jenkinson and Santos both showed glimpses of potential before their respective long term injuries. For a last minute panic mass buy - last Summer's signings, while disruptive in the short term, may well largely prove to be suceessful ones. It is not an easy thing to pull off mass successful signings.
Wenger still has much to prove - for the rest of the season and over the Summer - but where we are now, as opposed to a month ago, is that there is reason to hope that he can get it right.
Seemed like the crowd were giving Krul a hard time right from the start. I didn't think he was wasting too much time but the fans were drawing attention to it. It's possible that 5 mins added on could've been 4 mins had it not been for the crowd being petulant and booing the fuck out of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Durging the season I was on of the people that thought it was time for him to go not changed my mind 100% but if we keep going on the way we are and make a couple of quality signings(and get rid of the deadwood) will give him the benefit of the doubt but if things are still the same January bye bye Wenger!
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Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
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It reminds me of the old crowd at highbury when we were playing shit, and had our backs against the wall. We'd just come out fighting, and it great to see from fans and players alike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
If there is one thing I could say to this team right now, it's "never forget this period. Never forget just how much wanting to win at all costs bears fruit and gets the fans on your side. If you want to win anything, ever, you can never be complacent, and 100% is the only way".
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You should be giving team talks, mate! Hopefully RVP is saying exactly the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Its a good post mate but i still sense fragility within the unit and I know, I just know, we are a harsh loss away from falling apart again. We have "easy" games coming up but a limp draw and the a loss will see the daggers come out again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
The point about the signings is a good one, perhaps the period we have been shit for is the time it has taken them to settle in, i think Kos and in particular Arteta are fantastic players not just in ability and attitude but also in the shifts they put in to help their team mates. When the player of the year awards come out its only ever going to be RvP but i think those 2 have made this come back possible.
I can dream we will overtake those lilly-white lilly livered upstarts from up the road but I do fear we are still an eggshell club at best. We also still cant defend and while set pieces seem to have improved we are clueless, embarrassingly clueless from throw-ins.
A few things still need polishing I just hope this particular turd isn't too brown already.
i say this every fucking year but im saying it again.
ONE MORE SUMMER.
thats all he's got.
if he makes the same mistakes again, and does not sign up RVP, then i promise you that is it for me.
and the same goes for the board.
if we cannot keep RVP and offer him what he wants then its the start of the demise for the club. we can all clearly see that he is the best striker in the world and completely carried us into 4th/potential 3rd. what else do the board need a player to do for them to be persuaded to offer him a bloody big contract?
he's no nasri. no cesc. he hasn't stated he's got a boyhood club nor seems interested by solely money.
he is a complete role model and gentleman.
if we keep crap like squillaci, chamakh, arshavin and dont replace them, or use the 'we will not sign experience because the kids need to grow' then thats it for me.
we are darn well fortunate we have rvp otherwise we'd be mid-table. they took a massive chance by not signing a decent striker last summer/january but luck will eventually run out. it only takes an injury to rvp and we're done.
and if we arent equipped for it, my tide will firmly be against wenger.
we need to BUILD year on year, not have summers that set us back 3 years. so build on this year FFS.
This summer does seem the ideal time to get rid of the deadwood and overhaul the squad, if it doesn't happen now it never will.
Squid, Almunia, Denilson, Bendtner, Vela, Arshavin, Chamakh...there's a lot of funds to be freed up there. Of course the hardest part is finding buyers stupid enough to take them.
Arsene needs to befriend Pullis, Allardyce, Hughes and Coyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Well we're already in the qualifying for the Europa League due to the Carling Cup, but I get your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
We have been awful on the whole.
Wont have any problems selling Squillachi or Chamakh tbf. Bendtner is apparently off to Russia and just release the rest of them
Almunia :wave:
You will be ok when all that great young English talent comes goodQuote:
Originally Posted by Suarez Is Boss