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Came on to say this. For an economics genius wenger is fookin stupid sometimes tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Right now newcastle have better players than us (why the fack didnt wenger buy ben arfa instead of nasri when that was being mooted). They kinda deserve 3rd.
It was a stupid move to allow Theo to play on and that's down to the physio and manager. He did himself more damage by coming back on and it's down the staff to protect the players and that's why we have a shitty injury record. Of course the player is gonna say he wants to play on but you have to take extra precautions and make sure he's 100% fit and if need be, sub the player off. Now we're without Theo for the rest of the season.
When he limped off I don't think he came back on? Or did he go off a first time?
What was totally ridiculous is that Walcott did his hamstring and came back on for a few mins, in that time Wenger decided Gervinho should come on for Oxo, he only changed his mind when Theo broke down as the substitution was about to be made.
That's laughable, as is the decision to let Walcott carry on.
20:20 Hindsight :bow:
He went off and the physio had a look at him. It wasn't a knock, it was a hamstring strain and can't simply run that off. It was a terrible decision and we need to change our medical staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
you cant run off a hamstring tweak. they teach you that in PE nevermind medical school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Our players and ex-players disagree with you from the articles I've seen. It looks like the wrong decision in this instance but players come off injured all the time and return to play and are fine. Walcott wanted to play on and the physio can only work on what the player tells him at the time, they don't have access to scanners pitch-side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Check Wenger's post game comments on the official site and he even thought Theo should have come off straight away. Why are you attempting to defend a silly decision? It's obvious from your first post that you found it hard to believe that our staff would let Theo continue on after picking up an injury but when you find out that we've made a mistake and certain fans are right, you talk this 20:20 hindsight foolishness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I'm just saying that pitch side the only information the physio has is from the player. It's obviously true. The decision was a mistake but to say our medical staff should be replaced because of it is a massive over-reaction. As I've said current and former players are very positive about the medical staff. They're the ones who have worked with them, they're surely in a better place to judge them than you or I.
They would be, that's how they get a contract on pay as you don't play!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
You don't need hindsight here, just common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
hed obviously tweaked his hamstring by the way he pulled up, there was nothing to discuss with the player. if people are expected to self-diagnose then fack off all the doctors in the country then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
the medical staff are thick as shyt.
Do you really think I'm reacting like this because of one decision or several over the past few years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
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Originally Posted by BOBN
Well you know that's not true.
No, it's probably because you take an overwhelmingly negative view of everything going on at Arsenal for some reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
If Wenger thought he'd had a Hammy he'd have taken him off, it was down to the medical team being twits again who should have insisted he came off.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
The manager will only go on what the medical team and player say, if Theo told AW he was ok to play on i don't see why he'd take one of his "Star" Players off.
No, I'm calling it how I see it. Our injury record is poor, Geroge Graham said something needs to be done about our medical staff and I agree with him. It's no coincidence. You should actually try and give and honest assessment without the spin and bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
It's as if the club and manager can do no wrong in your eyes. You answers and posts are always in defence of the club and it's just as bad as people that you accuse of being anti Wenger or whatever. As I said before, the clue is in your first reaction, you couldn't believe the club would make such a gaff but when you find out we did, you double back with some nonsense about 20:20 hindsight as if this is some PR excercise. Just call it how you see it and forget all this clique nonsense.
:lol: drugs kicked again have they.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
Gev still better then Nasri is he :lol:
Wenger still feeding the boys drugs :lol:
Shouldnt be legenfs are even better than legends but not as high legenks :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
And that's probably why we have a horrendous injury record, clueless idiots in charge all over the place!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
No matter how you look at it, it was a bad decision. A decision that is made all the more shocking given our team's experiences with injured players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Nobody was able to explain the difference between vegetables and steroids. it was another win on the internet for I.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Seeing that you were playing yourself.. . .I suppose you're rightQuote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
What the hell would Graham know about what's going on in the club? Our current players back the medical staff, they should know better than anyone else what they're like to deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
The manager who I said should have been sacked for the end of last season? The idea that a club at our level employs medical staff who are as idiotic as some are making out on here is laughable.Quote:
It's as if the club and manager can do no wrong in your eyes
I do.Quote:
Just call it how you see it
:lol: our players are not going to say the medical staff are terrible.
Can't make a completely informed judgement on their competence, but leaving aside the Walcott situation yesterday - we've had a surely unusual number of instances where injuries are misdiagnosed with the manager ending up looking completely clueless when giving injury news in press conferences. Vermaelen, Rosicky, Diaby, Wilshere - they've all had the 'two to three weeks' treatment when they're clinically dead. Questions certainly should be asked. The staff are obviously all qualified and that. Maybe it's the approach?
It is the number 1 problem at the club, by far.
This was quite interesting. Didn't read it all as it goes on a bit:Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
http://le-grove.co.uk/2011/11/08/exc...eir-operation/
Couple of parts worth quoting:
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Colin got stuck straight into some of the things that irked him, top of his list was using injury analysis site, Physio Room. He thinks the league tables are a nonsense, 1) because they take return dates from newspapers 2) because they don’t take into account the size of squads. Wigan being judged on 20 players is skewed when Arsenal are racking up points for 45. It also doesn’t take into account that we play in Europe. If you’re playing 60+ games versus 40, you’ll obviously feature higher in the league table as you have more pressure on your squad.
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I asked why our injury record was so much better last year in comparison to years gone past. This answer was quite interesting and definitely opened my eyes to the blurred grey lines when analysing injuries.
Colin said 2 years ago we had a shocking season when it came to injuries. He said averagely, you expect 1-2 fractures in a year. They had 7. When 7 players suffer fractures, you reduce the squad by 7 players, then you put more strain on less players, which results in fatigue, which equates to more soft tissue injuries.
So broken legs has a knock on effect for more than just the player suffering.
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Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
The clue is in your first post. Straight away without all of the facts, you jump in on the defensive as if mistakes weren't made. Wenger says he should have come off and instead of dealing with that, you're talking about how my posts are always negative. Doesn't seem to me like you're calling things how you see it. Not in regards to Arsenal and football anyway. Seems silly to argue against our injury record.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
George Graham is a football manager and no fool. This isn't even a dig at Wenger. It's not his fault that his physio gave him the wrong info, but he needs to examine the staff and the information he's getting. Wilshere is out for the season because of bad information. It was the same for Vermaelen. Cesc kept on having hamstring injuries before he left And we've had countless other players that have been out for months when we've originally been told it will take weeks. As GG said, most of the problems aren't contact injuries. Most of it happens in training sired it's some sort of muscle pull/tear while running.
Agree with that. You can't make comparisons with smaller squads in fewer competitions. But (without looking at figures) I'm quite sure Man City and Liverpool have had far fewer issues than Arsenal. City had the CL until the groups, and then wherever they went in the Europa, and Liverpool have gone all the way in both domestic cups. Even leaving that aside, it's constantly worrying when there are vibes of uncertainty coming out of press conferences and injury updates. And it's more worrying when the updates are spectacularly off course - e.g. the seriousness of Wilshere, Rosicky and Vermaelen's injuries. For the latter two it took an age to find the root cause. They still haven't after a season for Wilshere. Bloody horse placenta for van Persie. Diaby's seems a special case with the horror leg break.
My first post about this said:Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I was pretty clear that I wasn't sure what had happened. I remember Walcott limping off and he didn't come back. I'd forgotten he'd been off before, my first post made it pretty clear I wasn't sure. Yes, Wenger said he should have come off. Obviously, given what happened afterwards, he should have come off the first time. But it's easy to say that knowing what happened. Someone above said that Walcott shouldn't be relied on to self-diagnose. Agreed but if you go and see a doctor you don't just walk in and he tells you what's wrong. You have to tell him or her what is wrong and the symptoms. If Walcott said he was OK to continue then how can a physio know different without a proper scan? The player needs to take some responsibility too IMO.Quote:
When he limped off I don't think he came back on? Or did he go off a first time?
I'm not arguing against our injury record. It's awful, clearly, and it's something we need to deal with. What I'm saying is I don't think it's because our medical staff are the bumbling idiots some people on here have made out. I just don't believe a club at our level would hire people who have no idea what they're doing. You say that a lot of it is happening in training in which case that needs to be looked at. The medical staff aren't in control of the way we train.
The training regime is down to Wenger and Pat Rice. Something has to be looked into but what annoys me is the way we struggle to diagnose a problem and then send back players before they have fully recovered.
Walcott signalled to the bench and told the physio what was wrong. Of course he's going to say he wants to play on to help his team. He'd play until it's physically inpossible for him to do so and that's what happenend. If someone walks into their GP and says they're having heart problems and the GP tells them it's nothing to worry about carry on as normal, whose at fault?
Shouldnt be relied on to but he too was thick as shyt. A christano ronaldo or any serious pro would have looked like theyre signalling aircraft down the amount hand signs they would have been giving the bench telling them theyre ready to hit the showers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
But thats still no excuse for the cowboys in the treatment room
Our physio room is pretty comfy. I sneaked in when I took the tour of the stadium. Its got nice lighting n a very ambient temperature. :cloud9:
Lewin's a chancer tbh.
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Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
Any serious pro. Are you sure? In most cases, they just want to play football. Wilshere was rushed back to play but is he to blame for his injury relapse or for playing on in pre season when he picked up an injury for England? Cesc player on against Barca with a broken leg and last season he wanted to play in the Carling Cup final even though he was injured. Most players would still try to play on. Muamba just suffered a heart attack and hearing people say he could return to football. If the medical staff give him the all clear, I doubt he's going to stop playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
Well id not disagre there, if the medical team can't get that right then no wonder our injury record has been shite for the past however many years.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Wengers problems is he seems to believe their diagnosis for some reason and takes it as gossip. Since Gary Lewin left he has not been replaced with someone of his quality.
His cousin was decent though. Shame he went to the england team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
We never had bad injuries with Gary lewin in charge.
More importantly than anything already posted in this thread - anyone else loving the karate-style challenge made by Kos on Sturridge?
Beautiful it was :bow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbMfazTbqMM
He was great in this game. A superb defender.
http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_as...651/karate.gif