Match Reaction vs Fulham 10/11/12

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

These aren't tight games. They shouldn't be anyway. It's bad defending that's costing us. When you go two goals up you should be able to hold the lead.

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But when you don't hold the lead you need another goal, right? We don't have strikers who say they will start playing once the defence has sorted it's shit out. At least I hope we don't.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Because we've pinned everything on Giroud being a success up top this season. The whole team could have benefited from him stepping up and smashing that hat trick in. His confidence would be sky high for the NLD, we would have 3 points in the bag because of a grandstand performance from him personally. The questions would be gone. Sure he could have missed too. But that's the point, we want to see what we have up there. Is he something worth pinning a hope to or just another so-so player who will get lost in this bullshit we call a season. You have to seize these moments, it's crazy to let them pass. Succeed, fail, but either way at least try. If the decision was not in his hands then whoever took the decision needs to be sat down to have football explained to them again from scratch. It's supposed to be about the highs and lows, the heroes and the also-rans, that's where the entertainment comes from and the meaningful talking points. Our football is like our financial policy - fucking stale and fucking boring and a million miles from what football should be.

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:haha:

NQ > terry tuffnutz again

i think that all but confirms his status as the most feared poster on here.

we'll count that as a trophy :bow:

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Originally Posted by jelgoon

And we should start with Diaby. Sick of listening to Wenger telling us hes like a new player ever teim he comes back for 20 minutes. He's now out til at least January with a muscle injury. Just sell him or give him away or cancel his contract and get him the insurance money.

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There's a lot of rubbish let's be honest, from the serial crocks to sh*te who should be nowhere near a club of our stature.

Let's not forget the guy at the top who makes ridiculous decisions and mistakes on a regular basis./

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Because we've pinned everything on Giroud being a success up top this season. The whole team could have benefited from him stepping up and smashing that hat trick in. His confidence would be sky high for the NLD, we would have 3 points in the bag because of a grandstand performance from him personally. The questions would be gone. Sure he could have missed too. But that's the point, we want to see what we have up there. Is he something worth pinning a hope to or just another so-so player who will get lost in this bullshit we call a season. You have to seize these moments, it's crazy to let them pass. Succeed, fail, but either way at least try. If the decision was not in his hands then whoever took the decision needs to be sat down to have football explained to them again from scratch. It's supposed to be about the highs and lows, the heroes and the also-rans, that's where the entertainment comes from and the meaningful talking points. Our football is like our financial policy - fucking stale and fucking boring and a million miles from what football should be.

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as that is the very first concern from todays game? the defence has been average for years, as have arsenal. does that mean we just take it for granted, no need for debate there either?

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

:unsure: He plays every game so it's highly likely he'd get a fair few chances. Today he as off sure but I was referring to be the general penalty taker not today's incident.

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I'm fairly sure Wenger was doing the opposite.

Anyway - Arteta scored a last-minute penalty in his final game for Everton against Blackburn. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by RomfordPele

Yep. As will we be soon if we stick with the mad prof.

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if 16 points after 11 games isnt pointless then please give me the glass you've been drinking from.

might even help me get over this hangover.

i agree. Peter Storey, Alan Ball, Liam Brady - list goes on.

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

GWrs cast your memories to a few seasons back. Who was our most dependable penalty taker. Yes it was the least offensive player in the team. The one who never scores from open play Lauren. Basically penalty taking is not a skill. It is a mindset. Right now we have no characters in the team. Wenger likes it that way.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

There's a lot of rubbish let's be honest, from the serial crocks to sh*te who should be nowhere near a club of our stature.

Let's not forget the guy at the top who makes ridiculous decisions and mistakes on a regular basis./

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letters :bow:

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

as that is the very first concern from todays game? the defence has been average for years, as have arsenal. does that mean we just take it for granted, no need for debate there either?

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It's not just today's game though is it? It's 7 years of this sh*t, these comments aren't simply about today it's the general feeling about this team/squad/club.

All these little things add up to making us a nothing team with no hope of any success, you don't win anything with a sh*te defence and neither do you win anything with shrinking violets who run away at the mere sign of trouble.

You want leaders, players with self belief not players who have a "not sure if they I'm up to it today, maybe next time" attitude.

Obviously - Ive thought Wenger was shit even longer than you. From about 2007 it was obvious he'd lost the plot.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

There's a lot of rubbish let's be honest, from the serial crocks to sh*te who should be nowhere near a club of our stature.

Let's not forget the guy at the top who makes ridiculous decisions and mistakes on a regular basis./

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Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner

I'm fairly sure Wenger was doing the opposite.

Anyway - Arteta scored a last-minute penalty in his final game for Everton against Blackburn. Just saying.

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Arteta stood up to be counted, he missed but that can happen.

Still think Giroud on a hattrick should have grabbed the ball and gone for it, any striker on a hattrick would surely?

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Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner

if 16 points after 11 games isnt pointless then please give me the glass you've been drinking from.

might even help me get over this hangover.

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Err, not sure I understand. If you're saying 16 points from 11 is something to be proud of then pass me your glass, it's certainly much fuller than mine.

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Originally Posted by jelgoon

Obviously - Ive thought Wenger was shit even longer than you. From about 2007 it was obvious he'd lost the plot.

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Sorry that's not quite right, I've thought he was an idiot from about then if not a bit before to be honest....I spotted the signs early :lol:

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Originally Posted by RomfordPele

Err, not sure I understand. If you're saying 16 points from 11 is something to be proud of then pass me your glass, it's certainly much fuller than mine.

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i thought thats what you were saying :unsure:

you said we'd be pointless soon if we stayed with the prof

im saying we're already pointless. as our points tally suggests.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

It's not just today's game though is it? It's 7 years of this sh*t, these comments aren't simply about today it's the general feeling about this team/squad/club.

All these little things add up to making us a nothing team with no hope of any success, you don't win anything with a sh*te defence and neither do you win anything with shrinking violets who run away at the mere sign of trouble.

You want leaders, players with self belief not players who have a "not sure if they I'm up to it today, maybe next time" attitude.

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they are about today, you were talking about giroud?

anyway, as someone else said, its all part of the wengbot way. arteta takes them, if not cazorla. but i suppose giroud should've shoved him to the ground and started a ruck to show his passion for scoring a third.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Arteta stood up to be counted, he missed but that can happen.

Still think Giroud on a hattrick should have grabbed the ball and gone for it, any striker on a hattrick would surely?

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That's the only point I was making really. Rather focus on other things. I don't think 'being a striker' automatically correlates to being the best penalty-taker in the team. But once more, he might have scored, he might have not.

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Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner

i thought thats what you were saying :unsure:

you said we'd be pointless soon if we stayed with the prof

im saying we're already pointless. as our points tally suggests.

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Ah, ok. Sorry, yes, I agree.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

as that is the very first concern from todays game? the defence has been average for years, as have arsenal. does that mean we just take it for granted, no need for debate there either?

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You know my feelings on this. There should be a fucking great broom taken to the whole place, a clean out from top to bottom. Anybody who isn't in this 100% for the club and can appreciate if they get that bit right then the glory follows by default should be fucked out the door. Who isn't sick of all these ****s spouting their bullshit throughout the week only to fall flat on their faces come the weekend? And they want five, six figures a fucking match for this shit. They can fuck off. But this is just the standard, everyday, ongoing problem at the club. This is normal at Arsenal. So I look for those moments of inspiration instead, even if it's a fucking stupid and humiliating comeback against dogshit Reading. It still gets you out of your seat, you still get a little bit back. I would have loved to hear about a Giroud hat trick today. It would have been something to talk about rather than the usual shit. I'm not excusing the defence, I'm not saying anything about the defence because we all know it inside and out. Would have liked to tune in tonight for Giroud's hat trick though - but fuck that, we didn't even try. Like I said, the soul has gone, this club is just a shell game.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Arteta stood up to be counted, he missed but that can happen.

Still think Giroud on a hattrick should have grabbed the ball and gone for it, any striker on a hattrick would surely?

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And Giroud didn't considering he got us the 2nd and 3rd goal?

It's pretty harsh to shit on a player because he didn't disobey the manager to take penalty but has scored 2 goals for us already.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

they are about today, you were talking about giroud?

anyway, as someone else said, its all part of the wengbot way. arteta takes them, if not cazorla. but i suppose giroud should've shoved him to the ground and started a ruck to show his passion for scoring a third.

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If you're on a hattrick noone is going to argue to be honest.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

You know my feelings on this. There should be a fucking great broom taken to the whole place, a clean out from top to bottom. Anybody who isn't in this 100% for the club and can appreciate if they get that bit right then the glory follows by default should be fucked out the door. Who isn't sick of all these ****s spouting their bullshit throughout the week only to fall flat on their faces come the weekend? And they want five, six figures a fucking match for this shit. They can fuck off. But this is just the standard, everyday, ongoing problem at the club. This is normal at Arsenal. So I look for those moments of inspiration instead, even if it's a fucking stupid and humiliating comeback against dogshit Reading. It still gets you out of your seat, you still get a little bit back. I would have loved to hear about a Giroud hat trick today. It would have been something to talk about rather than the usual shit. I'm not excusing the defence, I'm not saying anything about the defence because we all know it inside and out. Would have liked to tune in tonight for Giroud's hat trick though - but fuck that, we didn't even try. Like I said, the soul has gone, this club is just a shell game.

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http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foot...0/Ivan+Gazidis

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

If you're on a hattrick noone is going to argue to be honest.

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sure. that's how it works with wenger.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

If Podolski isn't a penalty taker Wenger should be sacked on the spot tbh.

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Maybe he would have if he was on the pitch.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

And Giroud didn't considering he got us the 2nd and 3rd goal?

It's pretty harsh to shit on a player because he didn't disobey the manager to take penalty but has scored 2 goals for us already.

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Noone is going to deny a player a hattrick chance to be honest, not even the manager, it does take bottle to take the ball and say I'm going to take it sure, clearly he's not a player who is going to be there when the going gets tough.

He scored goals yes, but that's his job which up until now he's done badly, hopefully he'll kick on from here.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

sure. that's how it works with wenger.

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IMO in the old days the players did the thinking on their feet, they decided what happened on the pitch....those were the days when we were successful, a team of generals who didn't shy away.

Now they are all sheep who follow everything by the letter with no personnality, opinion or character....we did have one player with character but he left last summer after realising Wenger is clueless.

With players like this you're on a path to nowhere because when things are tough in the business end of competitions they won't deliver under the pressure.

OMG there is so much garbage in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

You know my feelings on this. There should be a fucking great broom taken to the whole place, a clean out from top to bottom. Anybody who isn't in this 100% for the club and can appreciate if they get that bit right then the glory follows by default should be fucked out the door. Who isn't sick of all these ****s spouting their bullshit throughout the week only to fall flat on their faces come the weekend? And they want five, six figures a fucking match for this shit. They can fuck off. But this is just the standard, everyday, ongoing problem at the club. This is normal at Arsenal. So I look for those moments of inspiration instead, even if it's a fucking stupid and humiliating comeback against dogshit Reading. It still gets you out of your seat, you still get a little bit back. I would have loved to hear about a Giroud hat trick today. It would have been something to talk about rather than the usual shit. I'm not excusing the defence, I'm not saying anything about the defence because we all know it inside and out. Would have liked to tune in tonight for Giroud's hat trick though - but fuck that, we didn't even try. Like I said, the soul has gone, this club is just a shell game.

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i would've loved to hear a 3-0 victory with two goals from giroud. the expectation levels are getting ridiculous if the first point of contention is about someone who without we wouldn't even have a point - not even in a position to take three in the last minute. i couldn't care less how long our defence has been shocking, as long as it continues to be then that is the main worry facing the first team. we do not possess strikers with the same ability of those that have left but i'm not expecting them to have to save us because of the relentless fuck ups in defence. because this isn't just a one off, this is repeating again and again and no matter who we have up front, you can't rely on your strikers to bail you out of game your defence is fucking up. we all want passion and stories of new strikers scoring a hattrick, what fan doesn't. but he's on a hiding to hell if that is the level required because his team mates have no idea how to control a game. wengbot controls it all from the bench, everything set in stone before a ball is kicked. no matter how passionate giroud is, if he wants to be playing the next game he'll get in line and follow instructions. why the fuck else are we in these predicaments week after week? not because a striker won't score a third but because our manager has set it all out on football manger the night before.

My match reaction is 'meh'. But I think what's interesting is that if Arteta had put that penalty away, it would still be 'meh'.

Too many strangers on the pitch. Just waiting for the day the bubble bursts (the financial bubble...obviously we're in free fall on the pitch), everyone fucks off, we're in division 1, ticket prices are a tenner and on the pitch are shitter versions of Jenkinson's and Wilshere's. Only then will you not feel like a tit for giving a fuck about the Arsenal. My ETA is 8 years.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Noone is going to deny a player a hattrick chance to be honest, not even the manager, it does take bottle to take the ball and say I'm going to take it sure, clearly he's not a player who is going to be there when the going gets tough.

He scored goals yes, but that's his job which up until now he's done badly, hopefully he'll kick on from here.

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You're going out of your way to shit on Giroud. Arteta is the one that bottled it and he should be able to take penalties considering he must have a good average in training and past record with his former club. If Giroud would have missed there would have been no mercy on him.

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Originally Posted by Maestro

How was it for those brave enough to tune in or better yet attend

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A good match for those who like to see average at best teams slug it out in a match full of goals.

Anyone thirsty for quality football would have left critically dehydrated.

We've sold off all our best players and this is where our level is now. Fuck knows how much worse it will get when we continue to sell the best of what is left.

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christ i cant believe that the best player on the field today is getting blasted like this. Giroud is a bottler for not even taking a shot? thats one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. going by this logic why would you want the bottler to take the shot when he has no bottle anyway:doh:

there is sooo much more to talk about than who took the penalty. Arteta is a senior player in the team and is known to take set pieces we dont know the pecking order as for as penalties so people need to stop with the ridiculous insults.

i would love to hear what Wenger says about today. ive got a hunch that he is going to mention the midweek champions league match as to why we let a 2 goal lead slip yet again. Everton looked the business again today with an arguably weaker side, we need to focus on why Wenger cannot get better results with a better side.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

And Giroud didn't considering he got us the 2nd and 3rd goal?

It's pretty harsh to shit on a player because he didn't disobey the manager to take penalty but has scored 2 goals for us already.

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1st and 3rd goals, but i agree. Not sure why he is being called a bottler, he may have missed too.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Noone is going to deny a player a hattrick chance to be honest, not even the manager, it does take bottle to take the ball and say I'm going to take it sure, clearly he's not a player who is going to be there when the going gets tough.

He scored goals yes, but that's his job which up until now he's done badly, hopefully he'll kick on from here.

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Yeah and if he had taken the pen and missed, you'd be calling him shite and saying how Arteta should have taken it, because he used to for everton.

Your being a bit our of Order on Giroud. He was MOTM for us today. Blame the guy who missed it. Like been said before sometimes you score them, sometimes you don't it happens.

Scoring that pen would have been papering over the cracks.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

You're going out of your way to shit on Giroud. Arteta is the one that bottled it and he should be able to take penalties considering he must have a good average in training and past record with his former club. If Giroud would have missed there would have been no mercy on him.

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Arteta didn't bottle it to be fair, he stood up and took the penalty....sure he missed it but that does happen with penalties.

How many players pass up the chance of a hattrick? At the end of the day Fulham have conceded 15 goals away so they're easy to score against so it's hardly a massive achievement to have scored against a defence as bad as ours.

actually syn makes a good point.

i sat back today for the first time in my life and thought 'what really is the point in all this? what difference is arsenal winning today going to make? sure it'll fill the pockets of those at the top but the fans will keep getting mugged off'. not that i dont care because every football fan does, but its just pure stagnation now. nothing to make you jump out your seat or fill you with excitement. we're going nowhere. i feel like a liverpool fan last season. in fact we are the new liverpool.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Yeah and if he had taken the pen and missed, you'd be calling him shite and saying how Arteta should have taken it, because he used to for everton.

Your being a bit our of Order on Giroud. He was MOTM for us today. Blame the guy who missed it. Like been said before sometimes you score them, sometimes you don't it happens.

Scoring that pen would have been papering over the cracks.

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I think he's shite end of, even after today....we should have signed a decent striker instead of this half arsed coward they call a striker :lol:

He had a good game today sure, but against a team who can't defend, he's missed an awful lot of easy chances for us this season to be fair.

As for papering over the cracks, well yeah we have been for years.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

i would've loved to hear a 3-0 victory with two goals from giroud. the expectation levels are getting ridiculous if the first point of contention is about someone who without we wouldn't even have a point - not even in a position to take three in the last minute. i couldn't care less how long our defence has been shocking, as long as it continues to be then that is the main worry facing the first team. we do not possess strikers with the same ability of those that have left but i'm not expecting them to have to save us because of the relentless fuck ups in defence. because this isn't just a one off, this is repeating again and again and no matter who we have up front, you can't rely on your strikers to bail you out of game your defence is fucking up. we all want passion and stories of new strikers scoring a hattrick, what fan doesn't. but he's on a hiding to hell if that is the level required because his team mates have no idea how to control a game. wengbot controls it all from the bench, everything set in stone before a ball is kicked. no matter how passionate giroud is, if he wants to be playing the next game he'll get in line and follow instructions. why the fuck else are we in these predicaments week after week? not because a striker won't score a third but because our manager has set it all out on football manger the night before.

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That's what I said - somebody needs to sit down with Wenger and remind him of everything he seems to have forgotten about this game. But it won't happen. Neither will the defensive issues be corrected.

I think this is where we differ. You are still trying to suggest ways to reconfigure this club in a way that could produce a result. I'm saying - fuck them, I couldn't give a shit about that any more. That was how I felt and the start of the season and then I got sucked into all the BS again. But my initial instincts were dead right. There's nothing to fix here because it's thoroughly fucking broken and being run from top to bottom by people who want to fuck it up even more.

So I'm just going through the motions pining for a freak occurrence to puncture the monotony. Us fucking up. Been there, boring. New striker stepping up, proving the critics wrong, giving the crowd something to shout about. Like you say, killed stone dead before the idea can even take shape. Not Giroud's fault, not Arteta's fault. Not even Wenger's fault to be honest. He thinks he's doing the right thing and nobody who counts is willing to call him out for this turd of a product being served up. Not even the board's fault because they go about their merry way thinking by enriching themselves they are also benefiting the club. These fucking lunatics all think they are doing us a massive favour. Total fucking looney bin.

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Originally Posted by Syn

My match reaction is 'meh'. But I think what's interesting is that if Arteta had put that penalty away, it would still be 'meh'.

Just waiting for the day the bubble bursts (the financial bubble...obviously we're in free fall on the pitch), everyone fucks off, we're in division 1, ticket prices are a tenner and on the pitch are shitter versions of Jenkinson's and Wilshere's. Only then will you not feel like a tit for giving a fuck about the Arsenal. My ETA is 8 years.

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You know what that's the sanest and most charitable explanation for weng-idis's methods. AW thinks there's going to be an apocalyptic, credit-crunch style contraction in football revenues, the big investors withdraw, the talent largely moves to emerging markets in china. So build up a big cash reserve now, snap up the best the talent that stays behind, and voila - arsenal are the biggest and most powerful club in Europe.

Unfortunately, a.) as a theory, it's complete horseshit; b.) it's no excuse for being incompetent on and off the pitch, here and now; and c.) we're not going to benefit from the cash reserve as its going to go straight into kroenke's pocket when he sells up in a few years time.

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Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner

actually syn makes a good point.

i sat back today for the first time in my life and thought 'what really is the point in all this? what difference is arsenal winning today going to make? sure it'll fill the pockets of those at the top but the fans will keep getting mugged off'. not that i dont care because every football fan does, but its just pure stagnation now. nothing to make you jump out your seat or fill you with excitement. we're going nowhere. i feel like a liverpool fan last season. in fact we are the new liverpool.

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This is why i never rushed to post in this thread, because its the same discussion every week, and im just sick of it tbh. For me i don't judge performances, i just look at results. And i say that i look at results, becuase Judging perfomances for me is silly with this sqaud who has no quality and i can accept it for what it is. Maybe this is a blessing in disguise so Wenger and Co will see how bad we have become.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

I think he's shite end of, even after today....we should have signed a decent striker instead of this half arsed coward they call a striker :lol:

He had a good game today sure, but against a team who can't defend, he's missed an awful lot of easy chances for us this season to be fair.

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So you think he is shite but think a shite player should have taken a pen :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by RomfordPele

You know what that's the sanest and most charitable explanation for weng-idis's methods. AW thinks there's going to be an apocalyptic, credit-crunch style contraction in football revenues, the big investors withdraw, the talent largely moves to emerging markets in china. So build up a big cash reserve now, snap up the best the talent that stays behind, and voila - arsenal are the biggest and most powerful club in Europe.

Unfortunately, a.) as a theory, it's complete horseshit; b.) it's no excuse for being incompetent on and off the pitch, here and now; and c.) we're not going to benefit from the cash reserve as its going to go straight into kroenke's pocket when he sells up in a few years time.

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and just to add to that Chelsea made a profit for the first time under the Russian:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/20270934

Bye bye Wenger, nice to have known you, don't forget to shut the door on your way out :wave: