Yep totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall Quinn
Yep totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall Quinn
We're really not a very good side, we've hardly played well in any games this season, I actually think we're very overrated, we lose all the big games and even in the smaller games although we do get results it's with poor performances, I think a squad overhaul is required personally once the manager moves on.
Outside the top 6 for me, fuck the Europa LeagueQuote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Did we lose?
Yep me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
We are going to need to rebuild regardless of where we finish, I think last night pretty much cemented Sanchez & Ozil's exit. Might as well rebuild outside of CL, the type of players we attract are Europa League level anyway so it's not like it is going to make a difference to our recruitment regardless of where we finish.
I think no European football could be a blessing in disguise IF Wenger was to stand down, more time each week to prepare the team. Chelsea being the blue print for that obviously.
If we don't pick ourselves up we're not going to finish in the top 4 anyway, we still have to play all the sides we're fighting with and it doesn't look like we can beat any of them. The trip to Anfield next could be equally as grim as last night if Klopp gets his tactics right.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38991573
Playing for time?
Yeah as it stands I think we'll finish outside of the top 4. As others have said we haven't at any stage really got going this season and we have struggled quite badly in the big games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I think we'll get soundly beaten at Anfield in a few weeks time, I'll be surprised if we don't lose by 2 or 3 goals.
He is going.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
The performances from the players are starting to reflect the uncertainty though. Bit like when City announced Pellegrini's departure.
Doesn't really tell us anything we don't already know. The ball is and has always been firmly in Wenger's court. I can't see the 2 year offer being rescinded regardless of results until the end of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I can look at it one of two ways 1) that the board are cowardly contemptimble scum and don't have the guts to take direct responsibility, they aren't saying it's wenger's decision out of respect for him they are saying it because they'd rather him walk than have to take the responsibility themselvesQuote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
2) Wenger and the board playing for time, hoping that fan anger will blow over. Forlorn hope....
1) They are definitely cowards and are definitely doing as you described.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
2) Most likely, but I think Wenger is at the point of no return in terms of Fans support...he's buried himself so deep in it that that he has no real way of getting out. I honestly don't think anything could persuade fans to want him to stay, the anger will be there until the end of the season now....it's built up over quite a long time.
I agree, but it's the only possible reason why he hasn't announced his departure alreadyQuote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Can you imagine the dismay him signing a new deal would cause? He looks like he's had enough and it's not worth the hassle anymore to him.
They can weather the storm as much as they like but the opinion of the fanbase isn't going to change. Even if we win the Cup. He's got to go.
I think the board want him to stay because replacing him is a massive job. This is exactly why the decision cannot be left until the end of the season. We need to start planning for his departure now.
Wenger is the last of the old school Managers, involved in many areas of the club a modern Head Coach wouldn't be. It's impossible to replace him with one man.
I hope they have already been working on this behind he scenes.
Wenger signing a new deal suits the board, but not the fans or even Wenger himself. A decision needs to be made on this right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
That's my biggest concern, that no succession plan has been made. Simply because for the board who have no say on football matters, keeping Wenger makes their lives a hell of a lot easier. They've sat on their arses for 10 years since Dein left and Wenger took on more responsibility, now they might actually have to do something.
It’s a massive job but I can’t say for sure who’s stopping us from upgrading our structure. Who made the decision to block Thierry Henry and has hardly offered jobs to former players? The staff Wenger has around him has been the same for years and he seems reluctant to upgrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
He’s spoken out against having a Director of Football in the past. Not sure what his stance is now. We’ve slowly seen a change to our Academy and medical staff but the first team has remained the same for donkeys.
Considering the club were open to listening to Wenger’s ideas on how a club should be run, it would be stupid for them not to be open to listening to the ideas of a new manager. The way to pitch this club to a new manager is that this is a chance to build a legacy.
Now that Wenger’s approval ratings have hit an all time low with the fans, the Board must sense that this is the time to let him go.
ONE slight twist to this and we're talking. If people could somehow get organised and boycott ONE match, just the one. The empty stadium protest. Just Ty and Chris Wenger sitting there. Pick a meaningless game, and they are all meaningless now bar Sutton. Instead of spending the money on the match, set up a charity donation, maybe ex-players who knew how to play, gave their all for the club and earned fuck all in return. Or one of the Arsenal nominated charities. People will say it can't be done, but proper organisation by a group like Arsenal Fan TV could do it. You might not get a completely empty stadium but it would be empty enough to send the required message. And that message would be sent to every club out there that treats their fans like shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
A big dip in their charts - that's the only thing they'll be bothered by and might do something to correct.
We've forgotten how to pass the ball. An Arsenal team that can't pass, it's astonishing. We can't cross a ball either. We can't beat opponents down the flank. We can't defend as a unit. When you can't do those things it's fair to say you can't play the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
How noble of them. Wenger has already said he'll decide at the end of the season so the board is simply saying, "yes boss, whatever you say."Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
"Mutual" means Wenger will decide.
If after a decade of this abject shite Wenger still hasn't walked then it indicates the owners don't give a shit about the football side of the club. They care about one thing, the cash. The easy solution here is to create a new role for Wenger where he effectively remains in charge and then bring some yes man in to manage the team in a much reduced role and take all the heat off Wenger. This is what I think will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Whatever happens, I'm positive it will be done with the same utter contempt for the fans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcbykRVcn7Y
DT :bow: :bow: :bow:
Hero we don't deserve
Wenger for his faults (and they are numerous) have been a useful punching bag for the board, if they cared about the footballing side. They would have long ago leant on him to tell him to change his coaching staff and defer some of his responsibilities, and they would have long ago leant on him to decide on his future so they had a succession plan in place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Kroenke is probably one of the most hated men in American Sports, and David Dein really has to take responsibility for bringing him and Usmanov anywhere near our club
It's also saying to the fans that if Wenger signs on again it will be because he wants to and we take no responsibility for it, when in fact we are doing everything in our power to get him to stay because we don't want to run a football club ourselves, it's not our cup of tea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Poor Alex Iwobi is getting slaughtered. So unfair. Another young Wenger victim in the long line of players Wenger has destroyed. Certainly he had a poor game - in a crucial CL crunch match in Germany against Germany's best team and one of the best teams in the world. Yes he was poor playing in a disorganised jumble of a system where everyone else was equally perplexed. We had an experienced player in Welbeck, sat on the bench, unused. Instead we put out a kid and ask him to do the job of a seasoned pro. Ridiculous. The best possible way to destroy the lad's confidence. Just chuck him in at the deep end, give him fuck all support and let him sink or swim. Against Bayern Munich. Only a terrible, terrible manager would do this.
Whilst we're at it, Koscielny getting injured, good defender but very prone to making some big mistakes, Wenger pointed at losing him as the turning point, but the guy is just as bad as everyone else, he lets you down when you need him.
Big overhaul needed I think we need to stop overhyping these players and start looking at the reality. Gibbs is another, what is this guy still doing at this club, one of the worst defenders we've ever had, can't defend for toffee (he's a winger at the end of the day).
Mustafi...what is this guy about 30 odd million, is this really the best we can find? Don't get me started on the midfield. As for up front, we'll we known for years we've needed a top striker, still none in sight.
So much wrong with this club, people need to stop believing the hype, there's nothing great about this club anymore, we do things the right way apparently, if this is the right way I'd rather we did them the wrong way to be honest.
He should have been sent out on loan and Joel Campbell retained.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Last night he was abysmal though, as much as Wenger is responsible for the turd fest on the whole...i'm still a believer that players are responsible for their individual performances.
For me his performance was summed up was when Thiago was dispossesed and the ball broke loose but he's looking somewhere else and Vidal beats him to the ball
What irritates me last night is this throwaway remark that Bayern are a top side?
They really aren't......we saw that when we had the balls to actually play our way into the game, for any other team they would have been there for the taking.....ageing team.....that central defence was put only under a little pressure by Arsenal in the first half and it looked like it would crumble, Alaba gets caught too high up too often....if we had anything going on, on the left we would have rinsed Lahm.
Neur was terrible
Vidal, Robben, Thiago and Lewandowski are all good players but they are only as good as we made them look
Bayern aren't that good a side, but then look at our side, it's not that good at all. Who do we have who is really that great in reality, maybe a handful of players.
Cowardice, running right through the club from the cowards at the top through the long standing cowards on the pitch who have never been sanctioned, to the cowards in the stands who can't envisage a club without Wenger. Nobody is responsible for anything, particularly the manager who will go as far as blaming the fans. I'm trying to remember the last time Wenger admitted anything about anything was his fault, even partially. He'll respond with some bullshit line about the manager having to take responsibility, if ever challenged by the sycophantic media. But he'll never offer up without prompting the admission he might just be getting something wrong, after all this time. Who knows what Stan thinks? He's never here, never says a word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
When Arsene has a plan we back him, when he doesn't we stay silent. Well Wenger hasn't had a plan in a long time so I guess that explains Silent Stan.
Aren't that good? Maybe not by their own incredibly high standards but they're still easily one of the best 4 teams in Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Must admit it made me chuckle when some fans before the game and when the draw was made claimed Bayern weren't as good etc. That point would be relevant if we actually had anything about us to take advantage of any weaknesses they might have.
The thing about Wenger sides is they will never win against the odds, reason being they can't defend, to win games against sides who are in essense superior to you, you have to be able to keep it tight and frustrate them and then catch them with some goals on the break, we're incapable of doing that.
Therefore when we play a better side we get soundly beaten, simply because of the fact they are a better side.
You know who's great at that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Diego Simeone.
As much as i hate to say it Chelsea would have taken them to the cleaners last nightQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Man City, Liverpool and Spurs would all have put up much more of a fight than we did
You compare them to the PSG side on tuesday, well drilled, athletic, strong......i think PSG would take them apart as well
Bayern looked good as a result of how spineless we are, we had a decent spell (decent not good) of 20 minutes throughout the entire game and in that time we could and should have scored three goals against them.
Unlike some of the absolutists on here, i don't think the side needs totally ripping up......it depends on how many of our top players are willing to stay in the summer.
We definitely need to go out and sign a new left back, a long term replacement for Santi Cazorla and someone who is more physically imposing and better on the ball than Francis Coquelin.
A top striker would be great but who do you sign?.....if nothing else Wenger has shown that playing Alexis up top pays dividends.
When has a manager in a interview ever come out and said "it's totally my fault"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Yes, would love him here, instills discipline in his team and they work very hard, he's proven as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
We can forget about potential replacements until the Lord and Master Wenger graces us with his decision on whether he's staying, leaving or moving upstairs to be a puppet master. Managers like Simeone won't even glance over here until the selfish bastards who are running Arsenal define the landscape in which a new guy would operate. Schteve McClaren with Wenger's hand up his arse controlling his mouth is far more likely than a Simeone who would want to do things his way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I can see a horror appointment on the horizon.
:blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
They're German champions for the last 2 years and in both seasons they got to the semi-final of the CL. They've only lost one game all season.
We shouldn't be getting spanked by anyone but obviously Bayern are a good side.