Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit.

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Players like Sanchez and Ozil are a statement of intent though, I'm hoping (although am not confident) we will do something similar this summer.

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For Ozil and Alexis to be a genuine statement of intent, we HAVE TO do something this summer. Otherwise they aren't a statement of intent, they are something else. It would also be interesting to know Wenger's definition of intent. Is his goal to win the title? Yes of course he'll set out to do that, but to have real intent he'll need to have prepared the ground and made the plan that will make a title realistically achievable. I would like to win the title too, but I'm not a footballer and I don't have a team so my intent rings kind of shallow. If we see a top striker arrive and we make a late bid to hijack Vidal then the intent is unquestionable. Anything less and Wenger might as well come and sit with me to discuss pixies and unicorns and other fantasy stuff.

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Originally Posted by Dein-machine

This thinking is why we've not been able to compete with a squad with strength in depth. Vidal doesn't have to replace Coq, there are times when tactically we should be adopting a 4-2-3-1 system & they can both play. Vidal can also play further up the field whilst giving Coq competiton for the DM role. I find it amazing you would think like this when you consider our injury record. Having 2 quality players for key positions is an absolute necessity if we are to compete.

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Absolutely correct. Vidal would not be our DM. He'd be the midfield general who grabs the game and dictates it like Paddy used to do. We've missed that. But the huge advantage of Vidal is he could play DM if we needed him to, so he'd be a two for one deal. A great midfielder, and I watched him carefully throughout Copa and he is indeed a great midfielder, plus excellent cover for the so far excellent Coquelin who will not be threatened in any way by his arrival. £28mill? Why isn't he here yet? It's a scandal. And if not Vidal then who? If the answer is nobody then there's a bridge our tardy manager can jump from. A proper challenge is what we need this season. The stadium, the years hanging on to the top 4 slot, surely that was for a reason - it wasn't in itself the goal. The goal is to compete at the top of the game, as the board and manager have been claiming for a decade. Well here we are, the plan has unfolded so what's next? Better not be more of the same.

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Originally Posted by I am invisible

If that one does end up happening, it will be veeeeeeeery, very late in the window. Possibly the last few days, and almost certainly after the Spanish league is a few games in, and the player knows whether he's been relegated to the bench, behind the Portuguese show-pony.

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Every year when the season begins players always become available when they realise where they stand at their current clubs, the issue is forced with the approaching deadline. Obviously you'd rather get your business done early but if there's a possibility of genuine quality coming in, then I'm happy to wait and see. Of course if nothing happens then it goes without saying it would be disappointing, I just don't think this transfer window is over for us yet.

There's a good chance we'll be back in for Suarez, £40,000,002 should do it this time round

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Every year when the season begins players always become available when they realise where they stand at their current clubs, the issue is forced with the approaching deadline. Obviously you'd rather get your business done early but if there's a possibility of genuine quality coming in, then I'm happy to wait and see. Of course if nothing happens then it goes without saying it would be disappointing, I just don't think this transfer window is over for us yet.

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Neither do I. It would make no sense to come this far and then stop. Not in terms of football anyway. Nevertheless, watching how fast Utd can get business done under precisely the same conditions as us makes you wonder what our lot are doing during the majority of the window. There are some simple things we can know without "waiting to see". For example, Akpom is a good player but surely everyone can figure out we won't be going into a serious title challenge relying on him. And maybe Theo can play up top. But we surely can't be hoping we can slot him effectively into that role based on a pre-season and a couple of weeks before the kick off at Wembley. Proper planners don't leave things to chance and they don't sit there hoping for the best. The best never happens in competition unless you have a plan worked out and you have executed it to the best of your ability. Listening to Wenger's wait and see musings is a worry. Does he get that this is sport at the top level and not some practical lab experiment based on a loose hypothesis that has so far failed in ten years of trying?

Wenger believes Wilshere and Ramsey are good enough in the middle along with Santi and Rosicky. He buys Vidal, it kills Wilshere and Ramsey's chances in the team. Two players who've already expressed their insecurities about a lack of playing time and being played out of position.

We won't be doing any business until the last day of the window. I think we're gambling on that again and it's something we've always done. If we come out with a great deal, Wenger is satisfied but if not he won't lose any sleep.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Wenger believes Wilshere and Ramsey are good enough in the middle along with Santi and Rosicky. He buys Vidal, it kills Wilshere and Ramsey's chances in the team. Two players who've already expressed their insecurities about a lack of playing time and being played out of position.

We won't be doing any business until the last day of the window. I think we're gambling on that again and it's something we've always done. If we come out with a great deal, Wenger is satisfied but if not he won't lose any sleep.

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You are probably right but Jack is still to prove he can deliver consistently, Ramsey had a poor season last year, Santi was awesome but isn't getting any younger & Rosicky is really a squad player. Vidal is world class.
So, we continue with the "good enoughs" & win fuck all or we do what the Chavs & City do ( if we really want to compete ) & we buy better than what we have. If Vidal is a far better allround midfielder than Jack or Rambo but we can't buy him incase it makes those 2 feel insecure then I'm afraid we may as well get ready for another few years of disappointment.

I'm sorry but I don't think Wilshere will amount to anything, he's been hyped as England's saviour for years but from what we've seen so far he totally lacks the dedication and focus to be a top top footballer and has produced very little on the pitch to show he will ever be.

This constant waiting around for players to come good does the club no favours, in the end it leads us to fail, Wenger might believe he's the future but the future has been coming for far too long now, it's time to look at the present and if that mean sacrificing a player who so far has proved nothing more than a wannabe for the finished article than so be it.

Delph is having a medical at City, a week after categorically stating he's not going anywhere. :doh:

Footballers are cunts.

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Originally Posted by Özim

I'm sorry but I don't think Wilshere will amount to anything, he's been hyped as England's saviour for years but from what we've seen so far he totally lacks the dedication and focus to be a top top footballer and has produced very little on the pitch to show he will ever be.

This constant waiting around for players to come good does the club no favours, in the end it leads us to fail, Wenger might believe he's the future but the future has been coming for far too long now, it's time to look at the present and if that mean sacrificing a player who so far has proved nothing more than a wannabe for the finished article than so be it.

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He'll come good.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Delph is having a medical at City, a week after categorically stating he's not going anywhere. :doh:

Footballers are cunts.

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That's just low. :haha: Sonofabitch!

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Originally Posted by Özim

I'm sorry but I don't think Wilshere will amount to anything, he's been hyped as England's saviour for years but from what we've seen so far he totally lacks the dedication and focus to be a top top footballer and has produced very little on the pitch to show he will ever be.

This constant waiting around for players to come good does the club no favours, in the end it leads us to fail, Wenger might believe he's the future but the future has been coming for far too long now, it's time to look at the present and if that mean sacrificing a player who so far has proved nothing more than a wannabe for the finished article than so be it.

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We'll wait and see. No objection to him being in the team or your opinion that he won't amount to much. My main problem is when players get the extended grace period where there position is hallmarked and untouchable for x amount of years. Some of these guys need to earn their position in the squad. Last season, Monreal, Coquelin and Bellerin were fortunate to play so much because we had injury problems. They took their chance and held their position in the squad through hard work and even criticism.

Many thought Monreal and Coquelin were nothing players. Now look. I don't think Wilshere and Ramsey have had to fight for their place and they need to be put through the fire this season if we're not moving for a player as good as Vidal. If they can't win their spots back or fail to answer the call when we have injury problems, it should be a wrap for both of them and they seal their fates as squad players whilst we look to the market for first team world class talent. Forget holding talks with them to reassure them. They need to show up this season without fail.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Every year when the season begins players always become available when they realise where they stand at their current clubs, the issue is forced with the approaching deadline. Obviously you'd rather get your business done early but if there's a possibility of genuine quality coming in, then I'm happy to wait and see. Of course if nothing happens then it goes without saying it would be disappointing, I just don't think this transfer window is over for us yet.

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I really hope your right,because at the moment it looks like the clubs progression is being hampered by one mans stubbornness.:oldboy:

Vidal off to Bayern for 28 million.


Well that's that one done.

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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

Vidal off to Bayern for 28 million.


Well that's that one done.

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the big clubs are getting their big gunz ready

Gabriel Barbosa

Sanogo has gone to Ajax on loan.

Dennis will sort him out.

Delph :doh:

What a moron.

Last week it was stupid, this week it's just twattish.

Man City's star signings still remain David Silva, Aguero and Old Man Yaya, it's really odd to be honest that they keep going for England players that more than often are not turn out to be a bit shit.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Delph is having a medical at City, a week after categorically stating he's not going anywhere. :doh:

Footballers are cunts.

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💢Villa taking the money and running as surely he has the moral fibre to stick to his principles...

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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

Vidal off to Bayern for 28 million.


Well that's that one done.

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That's theft given today's market. Wenger must have his eye on a really big target to pass that price up. Or else he has his eye on no targets whatsoever.

I wonder which it is?

Bellerin signs a new long term contract. Good news.

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Louis van Gaal has admitted he still has unfinished business in this summer's transfer window - with the Manchester United manager wanting 'to improve at least two positions' to his squad.

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Obviously he's not sticking to the wait and see rules :doh:

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Obviously he's not sticking to the wait and see rules :doh:

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Not all managers abide by the "waiting period" strategy, it's a risky strategy though as it means they actually try to sign players and don't just wait for a fan backlash to force their hand.

Maybe LVG read this forum and became down on Man U's abilities. Especially when you were saying you weren't bothered about Schweinsteigger and would be really concerned in he signed Morgan Schneiderlain, and then he went about the latter too. :doh:

Anyway....

Vidal is a disappointment though as he went for a fair price (not sure if it has been confirmed yet). Ramsey and Wilshere ultimately know that, if you're going to cut it at a top club, this is the kind of competition you face. If you don't like it you'll play for Everton or Newcastle.

I'd like to add I thought Wilshere was doing pretty well petulance aside before he got injured and since he came back he's been brilliant. The blinkers will come off a few eventually....

Wilshere is a special player. It isn't even up for debate.

Liverpool agree £32.5m deal for Benteke

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Originally Posted by Munchies

Liverpool agree £32.5m deal for Benteke

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Crazy price for a moderately decent but inconsistent striker. That would make Aguero worth £2.5trillion quid and Sanogo worth well over £70K.

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Originally Posted by Munchies

Liverpool agree £32.5m deal for Benteke

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Rodgers waste money like its nothing, surely he will get the sack if it doesnt work out..again.

They've overpaid but it's a very good acquisition imo and his goal record is very good.....and that very good is in THIS league. It's difficult to get genuine quality with the paucity of options around right now so I think from there point of view it is positive.

What you don't want to be doing is overpaying on bang average players in most of your deals......that is when you have a problem....not when you slightly over pay for genuine quality.

Realistically they aren't going to get into the top 4 almost regardless of what they do so they have to take a slightly longer term view.

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...ick-aubameyang

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Borussia Dortmund have warned Arsenal against bidding for Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, insisting the striker is not for sale.

Gabon international Aubameyang has been lauded as one of the Bundesliga's best strikers after netting 26 times last season.

Arsenal reportedly failed with a bid of £28.7million for the former St Etienne player and reports in the German press suggest the Gunners will come back in with a renewed bid of over £30million.

But, having allowed Ciro Immobile to join Sevilla, Dortmund are determined to hold on to Aubameyang and are hopeful of extending his deal at Signal Iduna Park.

Speaking to German magazine Kicker, Dortmund's sporting director Michael Zorc said: "We rely heavily on Aubameyang - that is no secret.

"I've heard a lot about this (a transfer to Arsenal) but I can say very clearly that it is blocked for him. He is simply not for sale."

Aubameyang has three years left on the five-year contract he signed at Dortmund in the summer of 2013.

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lol Aubeyamang. If there's anyone in Dortmund's front line we should be going all in for it's Reus. Really surprised none of the major players have made a move for him yet.

Come on Wenger, pull your finger out here.

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Originally Posted by AFC Leveller

Rodgers waste money like its nothing, surely he will get the sack if it doesnt work out..again.

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Or he'll bravely shift the blame to his two assistants to save his own skin like he did this summer. :arry:


As for Beteneke, as I've said before he's the best striker they could realistically get so in that regard it's a good transfer for them.

No way in hell would an elite striker of the calibre of Benzema, Cavani etc move to them or even a top talent like Lacazette.

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Originally Posted by Static

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...ick-aubameyang

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Wenger could and should have bought Aubameyang in 2013, but instead put his hope in San-No-goal. His talent seeking radar is still circa 1998. He prefers to buy cheap tat and later when desperate pay over the odds for other teams proven players.. This season City and united are adding layers of talent while we simply consolidate with what we have.

Someone said that by buying Vidal we would have killed Wilshire and Ransey and that they have shown insecurities about playing time.....I say sod that....that's there problem, let them fight it out and see who's left standing.....

I am happy to go along with Coq as the DM and love Wumger's loyalty but Morgan for 25? should have had him IMO

I don't think we go for a direct Giroud replacement but we are obviously looking for interchangables so a Pedro or the guy from BD is what I think we should be looking at......can see a deal for Benzema taking fuc&ing years.....sort the squad out now

heaven equals Vidal and Abemeyang and DM because I don't know who's left

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

But you’re trying to defend Wenger’s decision not to spend when your original argument was that there was no money at all.

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That wasn't my original argument at all :shrug:
My argument is we have new financial deals in place which has changed our ability to compete for the top players and the transfer policy has changed accordingly in the last 2 years.
Hopefully that will continue although it's not looking too promising.

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I imagine developing your own player is more satisfying for a manger but should a manager be putting his own satisfaction and ideals above the needs of his own players, the fans and club? Does it outweigh the satisfaction of winning silverware? Those are the questions that’s been eating away at most fans for years now.

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The manager should be putting the long term future of the club above the short term, short sighted views of the fans. We all want success and we all want it now, Now, NOW!
But in an era where billionaires are spunking hundreds of millions to buy success and we were paying off a huge stadium loan, a bit of pragmatism was required.
I agree with FY that we could have spent more in that era - it did sometimes seem to come down to a million here and there, but none of us really knows what goes on behind the scenes.
Now we have new financial deals in place we are spending more money and can do so without having to sell to balance the books, in the last 2 years Wenger has done that and it has yielded results.
Not the big prize yet, but we have a squad which is very close to competing now IMO. It's the best squad we've had for a long time. We do need a bit more up front but the level of player who would improve us in that area doesn't grow on trees.

I think the biggest improvement we could make is to sign a goalscorer. I have no idea who, though. The players who would obviously improve us wouldn't be available.

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Originally Posted by Letters

That wasn't my original argument at all :shrug:
My argument is we have new financial deals in place which has changed our ability to compete for the top players and the transfer policy has changed accordingly in the last 2 years.
Hopefully that will continue although it's not looking too promising.


The manager should be putting the long term future of the club above the short term, short sighted views of the fans. We all want success and we all want it now, Now, NOW!
But in an era where billionaires are spunking hundreds of millions to buy success and we were paying off a huge stadium loan, a bit of pragmatism was required.
I agree with FY that we could have spent more in that era - it did sometimes seem to come down to a million here and there, but none of us really knows what goes on behind the scenes.
Now we have new financial deals in place we are spending more money and can do so without having to sell to balance the books, in the last 2 years Wenger has done that and it has yielded results.
Not the big prize yet, but we have a squad which is very close to competing now IMO. It's the best squad we've had for a long time. We do need a bit more up front but the level of player who would improve us in that area doesn't grow on trees.

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Yes it was. When referring to our activity before the new deals, this was your response.

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It was never a 'stage'. We didn't have the money. Now we do, he's spending it.

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http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/sh...=3227&page=156

It's all there if you want a refresh.

Yes. That was in response to a point about him not signing established players and preferring to sign younger players being 'a stage'.
I never said he didn't have any money at all, but we didn't have the money to go out and by a Sanchez or an Ozil.
Now we do, and we have.

You always do this. Wilfully misrepresent my actual views, attack things I've not said and then basically call me a liar when I correct your misunderstanding.
Pretty lazy straw-man stuff.