Doubt it. But I do think we'll have to get another name on the same stature as Podolski and Giroud. It better in midfield though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
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Doubt it. But I do think we'll have to get another name on the same stature as Podolski and Giroud. It better in midfield though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
The mirror reckons juventus are in pole position to sign rvp with an improved offer and £180'000 a week contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
They say we're looking at lewandowski and Jovetic as potential replacements.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...ventus-1134276
I'd be less annoyed with him if he fucked off abroad tbh, don't want him to join citeh or utd.
But if we are genuinely looking at replacements then it proves that podolski and giroud were additions and not replacements.
Call me deluded but I'm starting to think what Keith said on here could turn out. I called Rooney staying even after he said he wanted out (still waiting for that cookie tbh). He got an improved contract offer and he signed. A similar Vieira style 11th hour BS u-turn about how he loves the club too much to leave shouldn't be written off. It could happen even now.
That would be all well and good but I think the writting is on the wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
He would have a lot of making up to do for that reckless statement he put out.
I'm more inclined to think selling him to juve and buying lewandowski or someone else maybe a better option. As long as there are still other targets that we are after of course.
Nah...we were well on the way to forgiving Adebayor after he scored a few early on. Man Utd fans were right behind Rooney after he scores a few. Liverpool with Gerrard...fans are fickle. If Van Persie starts playing well for us, he could pretty much turn into Joey Barton and he'd still have a lot of support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
Forget about another striker IMO. The club's done its business on that front. The area that needs a lot more work is midfield and I'm sure - if the M'Vila interest is genuine - the club is looking very much on that right now.
Anything happen in the last few days?
I heard some disloyal, injury-prone, chocolate-legged, one-season wonder posted some mischievous ghost-written nonsense on his self-promotion portal rather than simply request a transfer.
But of course, because of his immeasurable respect for his fans, his fellow players and his ever-loyal manager, the dignified course of action was to disrespect the aforementioned parties by ensuring they and the club he so dearly loves were collectively mired in the worst possible situation.
Can this be confirmed? I am a fan and I need an update.
When I saw RVP replacing his Arsenal picture on twitter with his orange-jersey picture ( his national team ) , I started to worry about him . This could be a blessing in disguise . RVP has taken the blame for instigating his exit but yet he has spoke out what we were saying too low . Through our" hero " RVP , the board have finally heard our voice and are aware of our long-term concern . Forcing Van Persie to stay is not the ideal solution . Persie has made it clear he wants out . What the point of keeping him against will ? Why stick with an unhappy " captain "? the best way would be to replace him with another quality player and invest in other areas such as defence and midfield . Fellaini from Everton and Vertoghen , anyone ?
Nooooo, silly. It was Wengets fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
Difference is age. And I just can't see us giving RVP a long deal. He'll be 30 by the end of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Get shot I reckon.
Why are people so shocked by RVP's reaction and statement? Don't you think he's reacting to what's been written about him in the press and these sort of statements from the club.
PHW
This was released after he already rejected a contract extension. That must have pissed him off. It was agreed by the club and RVP that there would be an announcement after the Euros and everything that was discussed in that meeting would be kept private by both parties.Quote:
Arsenal chairman Peter Hill-Wood has revealed that Arsenal will not break the bank to keep hold of star player Robin van Persie.
The Dutch hitman has been in imperious form this season, notching an impressive tally of 30 Premier League goals on his way to becoming PFA and FWA Player of the Year, and has attracted interest from champions Manchester City, Italian giants Juventus and wealthy Russian club Anzhi Makhachkala.
The forward still has one year remaining on his contract at the Emirates, but despite holding contract talks with manager Arsene Wenger before reporting for Euro 2012 international duty with the Netherlands, the 29-year-old's future still remains unclear.
“He is vital to us and has been an extremely good captain,” Hill-Wood told The Sun.
“But if somebody comes along and offers Robin £250,000 a week then I am afraid we cannot compete with that.
“With players, you never know what they are going to do.
“Some players say they want silverware but when they have the chance to earn *extraordinary money that has been pumped into the game, then you just have to hope they will stay *because they are happy and loyal where they are."
Van Persie joined the Gunners back in 2004 for just £2.5 million and has since taken the mantle after the departure of Arsenal legend Thierry Henry, and although Hill-Wood insists he will not make alterations to the club's strict wage structure to keep the Dutchman, he is hoping Van Persie's loyalty will be rewarded with a Premier League winner's medal next season.
“There are players like Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes at Manchester United who have been loyal to one club but players like that are few and far between," he added.
“Hopefully we can reach *agreement with Robin and ideally he will extend his contract.
“We have already brought in one new player in Lukas *Podolski and I believe we will bring in more. I am confident we will, in fact.
“I just hope that Robin will be with us next season because I genuinely feel we can make a real challenge for the *Premier League title.
“We had an atrocious start to last season but we recovered to finish third which was a marvellous achievement when you look at the problems that we had with *injuries.”
http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...No-rush-on-RVP
So what the heck was PHW playing at? He openly questioned his integrity and linked the case to money over trophies with full knowledge of what was said in that meeting. Robin had a gag order placed on him and wasn't able to dispute the claims. He comes back from the Euros and the club still haven't made an announcement, yet Wenger is still saying he's confident RVP will stay, we've supported him, we're not selling him to Juve....the club kept on stalling and suggesting he's staying while we're all under the impression that the sticking point is the wages or he's waiting to see who we sign, when a decision was made before the Euros.Quote:
Gazidis told Arsenal's official club website: "Robin sat down with us at the end of the season and we had a good discussion.
"What we agreed at that meeting was that we would keep all the discussions we had over the summer to ourselves and make announcements when it is the right time.
"We have to respect the fact we have agreed to keep that among ourselves.
"Robin is clearly focused on the Euros at the moment and we wish him well, and at the right time we will make the right announcements."
This is why RVP made a statement. It was a bad move and it doesn't look good on him but I get the feeling he felt as if the club tried to smear his image while gagged and make out as if it's about money. This is why it has turned ugly.
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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Having read those statements from PHW, you're right that he deserves a fair amount of the blame as well. It does appear that, knowing that RVP was not going to sign a contract, they decided to engage in some propaganda so that when the decision was revealed, fans would automatically think he was leaving for the money.
That doesn't excuse RVP's statement though IMO.
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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Sorry mate but I disagree totally. RVP made his statement because he wants to agitate a move away from the club, probably because he's been tapped up with a mega offer from Citeh, and neither wants to lose money (which he would do if he put in a formal transfer request), nor be held to the fial year of his contract. The idea that its in 'revenge' for anything the Chairman said is bollocks, IMO. If revenge was his motivation he'd have come clean on a decision he clearly made some time ago, before now.
I know people like to bash PHW, but I don't see a lot wrong with what he's said there.
'If x offer £250k a week we can't match it'
Wow, I'm surprised RVP didn't sue for that.
:rolleyes:
The implication was that if RVP was going to leave, it was for the money. He shouldn't have been saying anything, given that there was a gagging order on RVP. It was propaganda to cover the board's back, so that when the inevitable happened and RVP announced he was going to leave, the fans would automatically assume it's for the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
This is not to defend RVP, who thinks he's a better player than he really is, but to show that the board have once again shown themselves up to be completely out of touch.
before png associated those two articles, not one person on any board i read has referred back to what phw said. not one.
everyone has made their own minds up about why he wants to leave.
perhaps arsenal fans are not as naive as you like to think they are.
The fans know it's for money regardless. You only have to read RVP's statement to realise that it's for money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
P diddy to the HW, is a knob at times, but on this occassion, he was completely right.
:gp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
So nothing to do with trophies whatsoever?Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Yeah, the guy who was part of a cabal that profited from the Club to the tune of half a billion pounds was spot on when he talked of player greed.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
Otherwise he'd be off to Celtic.
"knob at times"Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
and
No, we can't pay £250k per week.
and
Yes, he is a greedy ****. As are the rest of the board.
They all are.
Filth.
Well, did he want to leave just for the money? Or was it for a chance of a trophy? And is that any different from other players who have left overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
If we had not been haemoraging players over the last few years - if RvP had been the only player in this situation then I'd be looking at him a lot more critically. However, since it is part of a general trend, I think we should see this in the same light. Even if we are really going to buy the players we need to make a serious title challenge (or any trophy challenge, come to that), he and the others are still in the position that they can't be sure, the same as we can't either. Until we actually win something and mount a serious title challenge, this is the kind of story that going to run and run, again and again.
And until we show a real challenge for the title, I am not going to blame players who want to move to win a trophy at a club that is showing that kind of intent.
As far as the money is concerned for players in general, how much of the wage demand is for the actually dosh itself as against how much is it the amount of money compared to other players' income as an indication of the player's status in the rankings. Once you are getting past 50k a week, does the amount of money in the bank actually matter as you can pretty well afford anything you want 100 times over. Surely it is more to do with your relative position as a player than the actual cash.
:haha: Right on!Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
:haha: :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
The Scottish League Title wasn't particularly worth much before the Rangers debacle, now it'll be worth even less in terms of prestige. Certainly in comparison to the Premier League/La Liga trophies, Champions League etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
Jesus wept.
City wouldn't be anywhere without money.
They can challenge for trophies, BECAUSE they can pay higher wages than everyone else.
What do higher wages do?
Attract players.
RVP is going for trophies? Bullshit.
If he signs for city. It's about money, nothing else.
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Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
How is that bollocks and why are you in total disagreement? Of course he wants to move and that's the purpose of the statement. I'm not suggesting that it's not. The question is, why has he come out and given both barrels to the club in this way?
Tapping up....that's speculation and bollocks. It doesn't take a genius to work out how much he'd earn if Man City were interested in signing him and let's face it, if anyone of our players were linked with Man City, we'd all assume they'd be on megabucks and compare what their top stars earn. RVP hasn't all of sudden had his head turned either. He's been delaying contract talks for the whole season. He doesn't want to be here and it's not as if he has it so sweet here that it takes the big bucks of Man City to get his attention.
Did you read my post properly because you're missing the point. There was a gagging order on him during the Euros, the club said we'd make an announcement when the tournament was over but we were still talking about keeping RVP even though he said he didn't want to stay. They were trying to drag the saga out right in front of the press saying that we're keeping him, we're not selling, the usual nonsense. That must have pissed him off because they said everything would become clear at the Euros but it looked like they weren't holding up their end of the deal. Why keep talking to the press about him staying if he's already told the club he's not? Yes, he wants to move and that's why the statement was so aggressive. Whether you agree or disagree with what he did is different matter.Quote:
If revenge was his motivation he'd have come clean on a decision he clearly made some time ago, before now.
Not necessarily. They indicated they were prepared to spend money to buy the players they needed for a challenge. Of course the top players demand the top wages - that is true in any market place - so if you want to challenge for the title quickly, you need a load of money to pay for the top players. However, now they have produced a top quality squad you can attract other players who want a trophy or two to go on the mantlepiece. But if you say, sure, we want you to play for us but we are only going to give you 50% of what the other guys are getting you would rightly be told to fuck off. So if RvP were to go to Citeh, I would expect him to be given a hefty salary even if that was not his prime motivation. And who is anyone to say they would turn it down under those circumstances?Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
I don't think he's just leaving for money. Unless he does join City in which case...yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
We could sell to City and take a player in part ex. Now if only they had a proven goal scorer who could play in our formation that they wanted rid of...
Oh really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
Thanks, I had no idea.
didn't he sell his shares many years ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coney
Fact of the matter is, we decide who we sell him to and we don't even have to disclose which clubs have made an offer. We're going to whore him out to the highest bidder and that's likely to be City. We're after the money too so this 'greed' thing works both ways. The club need to be criticised for constantly flirting with City each season.
im pretty sure the idea wasn't sell him but keep the player. so why not sell to the highest bidder?
Quite like this Tim Stillman dude.
Anyway...
Rest of it is on http://arseblog.com/Quote:
From the player’s perspective, Robin has burned his bridges with the supporters and the club. I’m not convinced he’ll care too much about that. He’s not after popularity here. The message is clear. He wants to leave. This statement, with its below the belt blow at the CEO in its final sentence, its position of out and out mutiny at the club, is designed to make his position at the club untenable. For all of our talk about Robin’s diminishing status in our eyes, this statement will achieve what he and his advisors want it to.
It’ll push through a transfer, whilst safeguarding his signing on fee at his next club. A transfer request that doesn’t preclude him from the financial rewards that an actual transfer request would revoke. In that respect, it’s a cunning piece of legalese. The noises coming from the club suggest that they were well and truly prepared to hold van Persie to the duration of his contract. We can see from his announcement that he definitely doesn’t want that, hence the quite aggressive play from his advisors
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The Manchester City defender Kolo Touré believes his former Arsenalteam-mate Robin van Persie would boost their chances of winning the Champions League if the striker decided to move to the Etihad Stadium.City had been linked with the Holland international even before he announced on Wednesday he would not be extending his contract at Arsenal, which has a year to run.
Having played with him at Arsenal, Touré is well aware of what Van Persie can offer a side and would welcome him at City.
"Robin is a top player. I've played with him, I know him and he's a great man," the centre-back is reported as saying by the Manchester Evening News.
"At City we have great players and the club does what it wants in transfers. But for me, if Robin comes it's great because I know what he can do.
"You have to build your squad every year to do better; to win the Champions League is very difficult as we have seen."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...anchester-city
Then why is a double standard for the player to go to the highest bidder?Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Also, if the media and PHW never linked him with a move away to City, would anyone assume he's moved for the money? It's weird because all season we've said we're going to lose him if we have a shitty season and that's exactly what's happened. We've all said we lack ambition as a club and after seeing how our season has panned out and speaking with the boss and Gaz, RVP has reached the exact same conclusion. All season, every fan had RVP down as a stand up guy and a player that wants to win trophies. A few press stories here and there and he's a different person. Yes, I think fans naive. Money will be a factor in regards to who gets his services, but it's not why he's leaving Arsenal.Quote:
before png associated those two articles, not one person on any board i read has referred back to what phw said. not one.
everyone has made their own minds up about why he wants to leave.
perhaps arsenal fans are not as naive as you like to think they are.
Ffs just take the £8 mill.
:gp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Perry
Time to move on.
Pre-season next week.
i'm not sure i said it was double standards did i?Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
most people were under the impression that he 'loved' the club. being supporters, we are naturally upset that we are losing our best player and our captain, hence the reaction. everything isn't linked to a media report or a statement from the club - in most cases it is based on anger and frustration. that's how being a supporter works, nothing too complicated. people read his statement on its own and that was enough. if a player wants to stand up and talk in that way, then expect a backlash.