Fabregas goes to Barca for £35million

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30-06-2011, 08:27 AM
selassie

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

I've been saying that for years, but selling Cesc isn't going to change that.

This is the way the manager wants his team to play at the end of the day, get rid of him and you've got a better chance of change....with him still here we may continue to be a cheap Barca clone.

The short triangular passing is something drilled into them in training, not sure how lsong one player will change that unless that changes.

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Yup totally agree Zim, Arsene is the problem.
30-06-2011, 08:34 AM
alexander

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Originally Posted by selassie

Alex....success breeds loyalty. Cesc has a right to move, he's done his time here and is wanted by the best club in the World, his boyhood club, he's not doing anything wrong in any of this.

The likes of Adams, Ljungberg, Bergkamp & Pires were happy here because they were winning things and were part of a mature team, Arsene wasn't experimenting back them by trying to build teams out of academy graduates.

Arsene has created a monster here, it's no coincidence that our top player want out every single year.

tbf, after I wrote that, was thinking that Henry did do his time, and gave his all to the club. I suppose I just get a tad annoyed that man u doing all the deals early, yet we are fannying around again. Trouble is its all a bit of a mess. Over paid crap players we cant get rid of (denilson, bendy, almunia) players that are being continually tapped up by thier home club (cesc) good players with only 1 year left on contracts (nasri) Players that are injured all the time who nobody wants (rosicy and maybe diaby) So much to try and sort out and come together. Not sure it can be done.
30-06-2011, 08:42 AM
Letters

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

I don't hide the fact I blame Wenger (and the board) for where we are now.

In a new stadium, top 4 and financially stable? I 'blame' them for that too.

I am frustrated by some of the things which go on at Arsenal, the end of last season was embarrassing. But the way some of you go on. Sheesh! You should try supporting a 'proper' club with all the ups and downs.

As for Wenger bringing in cheap nobodies, Fabregas was one of them...
30-06-2011, 08:45 AM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)

In a new stadium, top 4 and financially stable? I 'blame' them for that too.

I am frustrated by some of the things which go on at Arsenal, the end of last season was embarrassing. But the way some of you go on. Sheesh! You should try supporting a 'proper' club with all the ups and downs.

As for Wenger bringing in cheap nobodies, Fabregas was one of them...

Couldn't give a toss about top 4 to be honest, CL is a farce and we have no chance of winning it....wouldn't miss it if we didnt' qualify.

Would take the league cup over top 4 personally.

To be honest, supporting a lesser club is probably more rewarding as you have hope, which you don't with Wenger in charge...plus your targets are very different as are prices, most of the players probably play with more desire too etc etc

Yes and Silvestre and Squillaci etc etc...a lot more fails than successes in the last 6 years.
30-06-2011, 08:50 AM
LDG

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Originally Posted by selassie

LDG I'd be very careful about what you wish for. I accept that Cesc has to leave but it's by no means a blessing IMHO.

Arsene seems incapable of building "balanced" teams anymore, in fact I wouldn't put it past him to sit on the Cesc money, he's done it before when we recouped 40mill for Kolo & Ade & he refused to buy then.

I know Cesc leaving could mean a change in style, but change isn't always a good thing.

This team needs quality with Cesc still here, without him Arsene has a lot of work to do and he has to spend to make it work IMHO.

Well quite.

He does need to spend. That is very evident. Moreso if he sells Fabregas.

Look, I blame Wenger for a lot of things that are currently wrong with the team. Need I go through them again?? I blame him for the footballing matters, because he is the manager.

The team we had last year SHOULD have won the league. Therefore I blame Wenger for not sorting the issues he himself aluded to in both transfer windows last year, but mostly for being ignorant to obvious mistakes on the pitch, and lack of leadership.

Fabregas is not, and never will be a good captain. But there are reasons why we made him captain (some good, some bad). There comes a time, for player and club, where a change is necessary. But I have no doubt, that if we are selling him, there is good in it for us too.

We as a club will not, and will never bow down to other teams. Henry left because it was time, as did vieira. And we sold because it was the right time for the club too. If Cesc is going, it's because we're letting him go, and there will be a replacement, and that replacement is where Wenger can work his magic. But that also very much depends on whether he's going to push the boat out fully this time, or paddle it out a little bit and stay out of the current.

I'm not foolish enough to believe there isn't problems with the club, the team and the manager right now. But from where I was sitting last year, there wasn't this massive gulf in class between us and Utd, and I believe we held our own against Barca. It was all to do with fragility of mind, and organisation when it mattered.

I agree we lacked a few extra pieces of playerware in the sideboard, but it doesn't alter the fact that we weren't THAT far away.

Cesc or no cesc. The manager HAS to buy quality. He has to instill leadership, organisation and respect within the team. And as I've said before, I will disown the cunt if he doesn't do it this summer, as I think will every Arsenal fan. But until then, I'll back him, because I still believe he is a good manager, and I'm hoping (as all good football fans do, hope in a new season) with his back to the wall, he'll do the necessary.
30-06-2011, 08:52 AM
Letters

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

To be honest, supporting a lesser club is probably more rewarding as you have hope, which you don't with Wenger in charge....

Don't let the door hit you on the arse on your way out then.
You'll be missed.
30-06-2011, 08:53 AM
Letters

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Originally Posted by LDG

Well quite.

He does need to spend. That is very evident. Moreso if he sells Fabregas.

Look, I blame Wenger for a lot of things that are currently wrong with the team. Need I go through them again?? I blame him for the footballing matters, because he is the manager.

The team we had last year SHOULD have won the league. Therefore I blame Wenger for not sorting the issues he himself aluded to in both transfer windows last year, but mostly for being ignorant to obvious mistakes on the pitch, and lack of leadership.

Fabregas is not, and never will be a good captain. But there are reasons why we made him captain (some good, some bad). There comes a time, for player and club, where a change is necessary. But I have no doubt, that if we are selling him, there is good in it for us too.

We as a club will not, and will never bow down to other teams. Henry left because it was time, as did vieira. And we sold because it was the right time for the club too. If Cesc is going, it's because we're letting him go, and there will be a replacement, and that replacement is where Wenger can work his magic. But that also very much depends on whether he's going to push the boat out fully this time, or paddle it out a little bit and stay out of the current.

I'm not foolish enough to believe there isn't problems with the club, the team and the manager right now. But from where I was sitting last year, there wasn't this massive gulf in class between us and Utd, and I believe we held our own against Barca. It was all to do with fragility of mind, and organisation when it mattered.

I agree we lacked a few extra pieces of playerware in the sideboard, but it doesn't alter the fact that we weren't THAT far away.

Cesc or no cesc. The manager HAS to buy quality. He has to instill leadership, organisation and respect within the team. And as I've said before, I will disown the cunt if he doesn't do it this summer, as I think will every Arsenal fan. But until then, I'll back him, because I still believe he is a good manager, and I'm hoping (as all good football fans do, hope in a new season) with his back to the wall, he'll do the necessary.

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30-06-2011, 08:56 AM
KSE Comedy Club

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Yeah come on, every year it's the same....Wenger brings in cheap nobodies, doesn't sort problem areas and we completely collapse (it was even worse this year). He has been here 8 years and to be honest after seeing the same thing happen over and over again with no real hope of change are you surprised he's attracted by a move to Barca, his home club and one that is winning things left right and center?

Wenger and his stupid policies have really not helped us keep players here, why would they want to stay and play for a manager who is happy with 4th place and puts together a team who collapse every year (sure he's part of that, but let's face it he's scored and created plenty and done his job better than most or Barca wouldn't want him). He's a top player and want to wins trophies, it's not gonna happen here with Wenger in charge.

I don't hold it against him personally, I can see why he would move...hell a lot of us fans want Wenger out after all as we know the score.

Do I blame him for wanting to leave?

No.

Do I feel sorry for him or think he's been hard done by these last few years?

Not a fucking chance.
30-06-2011, 08:58 AM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)

You'll be missed.

Yes unlike Wenger
30-06-2011, 08:58 AM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Save me Jeebus!

Do I blame him for wanting to leave?

No.

Do I feel sorry for him or think he's been hard done by these last few years?

Not a fucking chance.

Yeah that's fair enough, I don't feel sorry for him either.

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