Fabregas goes to Barca for £35million

[Özim]

Ahhhh, poor, poor Cesc .

Give me a fucking break.

'A player is on the market because his club doesnt want him' - Yes, thats true - except in this case, we didnt want to sell him and he has put himself on the market by encouraging Barca. Dont be so delluded that he hasnt had a hand in all this.

Were only trying to cash in now so we can put this shit to bed, one way or another.

Yeah come on, every year it's the same....Wenger brings in cheap nobodies, doesn't sort problem areas and we completely collapse (it was even worse this year). He has been here 8 years and to be honest after seeing the same thing happen over and over again with no real hope of change are you surprised he's attracted by a move to Barca, his home club and one that is winning things left right and center?

Wenger and his stupid policies have really not helped us keep players here, why would they want to stay and play for a manager who is happy with 4th place and puts together a team who collapse every year (sure he's part of that, but let's face it he's scored and created plenty and done his job better than most or Barca wouldn't want him). He's a top player and want to wins trophies, it's not gonna happen here with Wenger in charge.

I don't hold it against him personally, I can see why he would move...hell a lot of us fans want Wenger out after all as we know the score.

[alexander]

People are getting pretty pissed off with Cesc and this transfer crap, Nasri too. I often wonder if I would be happier with less success, but more loyalty from players. I know we cant have a much less succesful team, but I mean maybe the odd cup here and there, but no always in the champions league.

We have this every year, Viera, Henry, etc etc. Get fed up of it year in year out. I personally blame it on the players. Over the years we have had lots of top top players. Adams, Ljunberg, Bergkamp, Pires, yet these plays in their prime were as good as nasri and cesc, but were not linked with barca/manu/madrid year in year out. Im sure behind the scenes players (or agents) are talking to other clubs. But players like Bergkamp have a loyalty that is missing frm the likes of Cole, Cesc and Nasri.

Fed up with this crap.

[Coney]

Fed up with this crap.

Definitely. Personally, I blame the transfer window which is the most pointless bit of legislation by whoever it was - FIFA? UEFA? I mean what is is supposed to achieve. I thought it had something to do with protecting lower division clubs from top flight clubs buying their players, in which case it is a failure. All this speculation crap would be reduced if there wasn't a window to bring big focus on it. Before windows, deals were generally done on the quiet and you would mostly just become aware after the deal was done. I wish the old system would return. Agents will still do wheeling and dealing - that will not change - but the deadlines would disappear giving a chance for a bit more sense in negotiations. If the agent can play brinkmanship with the end of window deadlines, it is not going to help sensible negotiations.

[LDG]

Yeah come on, every year it's the same....Wenger brings in cheap nobodies, doesn't sort problem areas and we completely collapse (it was even worse this year). He has been here 8 years and to be honest after seeing the same thing happen over and over again with no real hope of change are you surprised he's attracted by a move to Barca, his home club and one that is winning things left right and center?

Wenger and his stupid policies have really not helped us keep players here, why would they want to stay and play for a manager who is happy with 4th place and puts together a team who collapse every year (sure he's part of that, but let's face it he's scored and created plenty and done his job better than most or Barca wouldn't want him). He's a top player and want to wins trophies, it's not gonna happen here with Wenger in charge.

I don't hold it against him personally, I can see why he would move...hell a lot of us fans want Wenger out after all as we know the score.

Yet without Wenger we would never have had Cesc. Funny intit.

Yes, Wenger is partly to blame for not winning trophies, but that is from a pure footballing point of view. Like I've said before, he should have spent more money when it mattered....but the risks he has taken in signing on the cheap, and trusting to chance are partly down to the way the board have wanted this club run. No matter what they say.

Bit sick of your comments, because they reek of contradiction.

Wenger is to blame for a lot of things. This is not one of them.

[LDG]

Cesc leaving is a blessing for me, and I've been saying it for two years now.

Back to swift counter-attack and power play please.

This namby pamby shit is half of our problem.

[selassie]

People are getting pretty pissed off with Cesc and this transfer crap, Nasri too. I often wonder if I would be happier with less success, but more loyalty from players. I know we cant have a much less succesful team, but I mean maybe the odd cup here and there, but no always in the champions league.

We have this every year, Viera, Henry, etc etc. Get fed up of it year in year out. I personally blame it on the players. Over the years we have had lots of top top players. Adams, Ljunberg, Bergkamp, Pires, yet these plays in their prime were as good as nasri and cesc, but were not linked with barca/manu/madrid year in year out. Im sure behind the scenes players (or agents) are talking to other clubs. But players like Bergkamp have a loyalty that is missing frm the likes of Cole, Cesc and Nasri.

Fed up with this crap.

Alex....success breeds loyalty. Cesc has a right to move, he's done his time here and is wanted by the best club in the World, his boyhood club, he's not doing anything wrong in any of this.

The likes of Adams, Ljungberg, Bergkamp & Pires were happy here because they were winning things and were part of a mature team, Arsene wasn't experimenting back them by trying to build teams out of academy graduates.

Arsene has created a monster here, it's no coincidence that our top player want out every single year.

[Özim]

Yet without Wenger we would never have had Cesc. Funny intit.

Yes, Wenger is partly to blame for not winning trophies, but that is from a pure footballing point of view. Like I've said before, he should have spent more money when it mattered....but the risks he has taken in signing on the cheap, and trusting to chance are partly down to the way the board have wanted this club run. No matter what they say.

Bit sick of your comments, because they reek of contradiction.

Wenger is to blame for a lot of things. This is not one of them.

I don't hide the fact I blame Wenger (and the board) for where we are now. He got enough credit when we were successful, so it's time for him to take the heat not that we're not.....personally don't even think he should still be in charge.

If you want to hold onto to your best players then realistically you need to win trophies from time to time or it will be very hard.

The point is Cesc wants to leave and I say fair play to him, why should he stick around exactly when he has the chance to play for one of the biggest clubs in the world who also happen to have a great team and win things every season (also his home club), sounds like a dream come true to me.

He's been with us 8 years and that's a long time for a kid who moved when he was 16, he's put in his shift IMO and I've got no problem if he decided to leave. Even if Wenger hadn't spotted him, I'm pretty sure he'd be featuring for Barca, other youngsters have and they're not half as good!

[Özim]

Alex....success breeds loyalty. Cesc has a right to move, he's done his time here and is wanted by the best club in the World, his boyhood club, he's not doing anything wrong in any of this.

The likes of Adams, Ljungberg, Bergkamp & Pires were happy here because they were winning things and were part of a mature team, Arsene wasn't experimenting back them by trying to build teams out of academy graduates.

Arsene has created a monster here, it's no coincidence that our top player want out every single year.

Brilliant post.

[selassie]

Cesc leaving is a blessing for me, and I've been saying it for two years now.

Back to swift counter-attack and power play please.

This namby pamby shit is half of our problem.

LDG I'd be very careful about what you wish for. I accept that Cesc has to leave but it's by no means a blessing IMHO.

Arsene seems incapable of building "balanced" teams anymore, in fact I wouldn't put it past him to sit on the Cesc money, he's done it before when we recouped 40mill for Kolo & Ade & he refused to buy then.

I know Cesc leaving could mean a change in style, but change isn't always a good thing.

This team needs quality with Cesc still here, without him Arsene has a lot of work to do and he has to spend to make it work IMHO.

[Özim]

Back to swift counter-attack and power play please.

This namby pamby shit is half of our problem.

I've been saying that for years, but selling Cesc isn't going to change that.

This is the way the manager wants his team to play at the end of the day, get rid of him and you've got a better chance of change....with him still here we may continue to be a cheap Barca clone.

The short triangular passing is something drilled into them in training, not sure how losing one player will change that unless that changes.