Good Bye RVP!

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10-07-2012, 10:15 AM
Kano

i wouldn't mind abusing her
10-07-2012, 11:04 AM
Fist of Lehmann

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Originally Posted by mastermind84

that statement made no difference to his bargaining position. When he didnt sign an extension before that day, it was already known what the deal was. His agent probably put it out there too.

To his bargaining position? I was talking about ours. Or lack thereof.

Here, let me explain it this way.

When a buying club knows you have to sell, your bargaining position is weak.
When a buying club knows you do not have to sell, your bargaining position is strong.
When a buying club is not sure, it's a game of cat and mouse. Hence the posturing about keeping him to the last year of his contract.

By releasing this statement Rvp has removed the element of doubt, he wants to burn bridges, making it effectively impossible to hold him to his contract. It's a calculated move to engineer his big payday. From the club's point of view - a dick move, but from vanPersie's, it's only business.

The only hope the club has of strengthening their position is to rope in as many buyers as possible.
10-07-2012, 11:14 AM
Kano

agents would've known about the real situation even if RVP had not released a statement and arsenal had not done either.

something becoming 'official' on the net is usually a few steps behind what anyone on the inside will know.

the statement makes no difference to the price we would have and will generate
10-07-2012, 11:15 AM
IBK

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

How is that bollocks and why are you in total disagreement? Of course he wants to move and that's the purpose of the statement. I'm not suggesting that it's not. The question is, why has he come out and given both barrels to the club in this way?

Tapping up....that's speculation and bollocks. It doesn't take a genius to work out how much he'd earn if Man City were interested in signing him and let's face it, if anyone of our players were linked with Man City, we'd all assume they'd be on megabucks and compare what their top stars earn. RVP hasn't all of sudden had his head turned either. He's been delaying contract talks for the whole season. He doesn't want to be here and it's not as if he has it so sweet here that it takes the big bucks of Man City to get his attention.

Did you read my post properly because you're missing the point. There was a gagging order on him during the Euros, the club said we'd make an announcement when the tournament was over but we were still talking about keeping RVP even though he said he didn't want to stay. They were trying to drag the saga out right in front of the press saying that we're keeping him, we're not selling, the usual nonsense. That must have pissed him off because they said everything would become clear at the Euros but it looked like they weren't holding up their end of the deal. Why keep talking to the press about him staying if he's already told the club he's not? Yes, he wants to move and that's why the statement was so aggressive. Whether you agree or disagree with what he did is different matter.

I'm in total disagreement that RVP made his statement in retalliation for anything PHW said, for 2 reasons. Firstly, what does it matter to the player (or more importantly his advisers who have advised him to say what he has said) what our chairman says? Its obvious that this is a lawyer's/agent's statement - not something deriving from the player himself. This is not a passionate reaction to perceived maltreatment. In fact its difficult to envisage a more cynical, dispassionate statement. It has been made to secure an advantage, not as a tit for tat measure.

Second, even if the above is wrong, and his motivation was (as you argue) simply to put the record straight why not leave it as clarifing that he does not wish to re-sign? Why put the boot in and damage the club - while at the same time making him look like a ****. You say there's no evidence of any tapping up. Well there is no evidence that there hasn;t been any tapping up - but its crystal clear that what has been said has been said with the express intention of making his position untenable, and preventing the club from holding him to the final year of his contract. Fuck all to do with what PHW has, or has not said, IMO.
10-07-2012, 11:17 AM
Fist of Lehmann

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Originally Posted by Joker

RVP and his wife are being trolled on twitter:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/...s-are-trolled/

:lol: I expect you were front of the queue no?

As I recall, it was reported that his wife told him he should stay.

Uncalled for, that she get caught up in the spastic backlash (spazlash?)
10-07-2012, 11:23 AM
Letters

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Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann

To his bargaining position? I was talking about ours. Or lack thereof.

Here, let me explain it this way.

When a buying club knows you have to sell, your bargaining position is weak.
When a buying club knows you do not have to sell, your bargaining position is strong.
When a buying club is not sure, it's a game of cat and mouse. Hence the posturing about keeping him to the last year of his contract.

By releasing this statement Rvp has removed the element of doubt, he wants to burn bridges, making it effectively impossible to hold him to his contract. It's a calculated move to engineer his big payday. From the club's point of view - a dick move, but from vanPersie's, it's only business.

The only hope the club has of strengthening their position is to rope in as many buyers as possible.

:good:
We're in a slightly stronger position than we were with Cesc as we knew he'd only sign for one club. Everyone knew he'd only sign for one club. So we couldn't start a bidding war. On the other hand he was younger and worth more because of that. We're not going to get loads for him. I initially thought we should keep him because of that but having read other people's views about the damage that would do to the dressing room I've changed my mind. We should get rid and accept it's not going to be for silly money.
10-07-2012, 11:23 AM
Flavs

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Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann

:lol: I expect you were front of the queue no?

As I recall, it was reported that his wife told him he should stay.

Uncalled for, that she get caught up in the spastic backlash (spazlash?)

Retard rebound?
10-07-2012, 11:24 AM
Syn

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Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann

As I recall, it was reported that his wife told him he should stay.

Uncalled for, that she get caught up in the spastic backlash (spazlash?)

They're always after money. I'm sure she's fully after the Man City wages.
10-07-2012, 11:26 AM
Flavs

Look its easy, he can earn £120k a week with us and not win anything or he can earn £200k a week at citeh and win everything

Also Nasri is his BFF so he will want to go shag him
10-07-2012, 11:35 AM
Fist of Lehmann

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

agents would've known about the real situation even if RVP had not released a statement and arsenal had not done either.

something becoming 'official' on the net is usually a few steps behind what anyone on the inside will know.

the statement makes no difference to the price we would have and will generate

What's the difference between a statement in the public domain and his agent whoring him quietly to every club in the world?

The difference with a public statment is that he now cannot stay, not at least without a public climbdown.

"I cannot agree with the way this club is run, but I have decided to lower myself and take their money for one more year."

With the ego's involved on both sides, that is unlikely.
10-07-2012, 11:42 AM
Kano

that same was thought of tevez last season

whatever the public pretence doesn't matter - the truth would have been known behind closed doors, so whether or not the fans knew the real deal doesn't matter. agents and clubs would know he is leaving and worked accordingly.

it'll still be £20m+ without question
10-07-2012, 11:45 AM
Marc Overmars

Have we sold this pub teamer yet?
10-07-2012, 12:00 PM
Fist of Lehmann

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

that same was thought of tevez last season

whatever the public pretence doesn't matter - the truth would have been known behind closed doors, so whether or not the fans knew the real deal doesn't matter. agents and clubs would know he is leaving and worked accordingly.

it'll still be £20m+ without question

I'd be happy with £20m+ as long as it didn't drag on and on.
10-07-2012, 12:01 PM
GP

I'd take the £8m from Juve tbh
10-07-2012, 12:03 PM
IBK

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Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over

In the article Ach posted from The Express (I know, its a rag :blahblah: but still offering a point to debate - so save it)

Wenger had reservations over RvPs history of injuries and that we shouldnt stand in the way of a decent offer. . .so maybe he isnt such a pussy because there is an argument that we will save money by not busting the bank to keep him, maybe that is why the contract was run down. . .maybe the same is being done for Theo, last chance to prove he isnt shit!

This is a very good point. The consensus seems to be that it was a no brainer, and that RVP is so world class that the club should have made a mega offer much earlier, but I disagree. Noone is saying that he didn't have the talent (although I think the jury is very much out on whether RVP will be anywhere near as prolific in a team that is not completely set up to play to his strengths - compare and contrast his displays for Holland and Arsenal, for example). But lets face it, in the eyes of many, last season was his last chance saloon on the injury front - and it would have been rash to put it mildly to break the bank to offer a new long contract to an ageing player who had played less than half the available games in the preceeding seasons. RVP is little better than a Flamini and an Adebayor in that he is agitating away having had his one stand out season, and it really wouldn't surprise me to see his goals trajectory follow a similar pattern elsewhere.
10-07-2012, 12:09 PM
Kano

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Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann

I'd be happy with £20m+ as long as it didn't drag on and on.

hopefully wenger hasn't left his balls back in france this week
10-07-2012, 12:22 PM
Letters

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Originally Posted by Flavs

Look its easy, he can earn £120k a week with us and not win anything or he can earn £200k a week at citeh and win everything

I give RvP more credit than that - in that he must surely realise that any trophies they win are tainted by the way they've 'won' them.
I'm preparing myself for disappointment though.
10-07-2012, 12:24 PM
Kano

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Originally Posted by Letters

I give RvP more credit than that - in that he must surely realise that any trophies they win are tainted by the way they've 'won' them.

fans see it completely differently to players

players still need to bust a gut to win a game, so they value the silverware at the end of it
10-07-2012, 12:25 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Letters

I give RvP more credit than that - in that he must surely realise that any trophies they win are tainted by the way they've 'won' them.
I'm preparing myself for disappointment though.

Even if he did think of the trophies as tainted, he'd still be getting more money.

We can't offer him success at the end of the day, that much seems clear, so he'll find a club that can and will probably get a pay rise in the process.

It's quite an easy decision, I think a move abroad would also appeal, cos let's be honest the weather in England is sh*t.
10-07-2012, 12:26 PM
Flavs

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letters

I give RvP more credit than that - in that he must surely realise that any trophies they win are tainted by the way they've 'won' them.
I'm preparing myself for disappointment though.

Sadly it seems that is the reward for one good season nowadays. These rich boy teams come along and buy player who have one great season and pay them a fortune, luckily for us normal teams it doesn't work out that way in the main.
10-07-2012, 12:31 PM
Fist of Lehmann

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Originally Posted by Letters

I give RvP more credit than that - in that he must surely realise that any trophies they win are tainted by the way they've 'won' them.
I'm preparing myself for disappointment though.

You hopeless idealist you.

I'm sure the City players feel that nagging suspicion that all their achievements are tainted as they roll naked on a giant bed of money.
10-07-2012, 01:01 PM
Ollie the Optimist

sky sports are now reporting that van persie will make a u turn and actually sign a new contract with us.

if that happens, im not sure how i would feel. he has to lose the captaincy imo, the damage he has done is too much. he hten has to work fucking hard to get back in our books. if he starts next season like the last one he will win us back but if he doesnt, thats it. i think i still want him out though
10-07-2012, 01:06 PM
Shaqiri Is Boss

If he did sign a new contract and claims it was all part of a plan to force a new contract, by the time he scores his first goal it'd all be forgotten.

As with Rooney and, frankly, Gerrard.
10-07-2012, 01:06 PM
Syn

1. :rolleyes: Sky Sports haven't reported it.

2. It wouldn't be hard to get back into the good books. A couple of goals and it's all good.
10-07-2012, 01:07 PM
LDG

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

sky sports are now reporting that van persie will make a u turn and actually sign a new contract with us.

if that happens, im not sure how i would feel. he has to lose the captaincy imo, the damage he has done is too much. he hten has to work fucking hard to get back in our books. if he starts next season like the last one he will win us back but if he doesnt, thats it. i think i still want him out though

Sauce?
10-07-2012, 01:10 PM
Japan Shaking All Over

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Originally Posted by LDG

Sauce?

Ummm brown please
10-07-2012, 01:13 PM
Flavs

PSG saying they arent interested in RvP now :pal:
10-07-2012, 01:13 PM
Japan Shaking All Over

Quote:

Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

sky sports are now reporting that van persie will make a u turn and actually sign a new contract with us.

if that happens, im not sure how i would feel. he has to lose the captaincy imo, the damage he has done is too much. he hten has to work fucking hard to get back in our books. if he starts next season like the last one he will win us back but if he doesnt, thats it. i think i still want him out though

Shit that would be a tough one. . , although I agree a few goals and the who needs Batman banners will be back

I for one was just putting the finishing tpuches to my own version of that

'Who needs Robin, when we have JOKER!
10-07-2012, 01:17 PM
Coney

If RvP decides that, since the Arsenal have shown willing by buying some real players, he will sign a new contract, I would be perfectly happy to have him as captain as I think he has done a better job than anyone since Patrick Vieira. If he was doing what he did to force the board and Wenger to spend some money - I have no problem with that. After all, if it means we finally get to win some silver, there will be nothing to forgive.
10-07-2012, 01:21 PM
Japan Shaking All Over

:gp:
I dont see why RvP cant believe he cant win things with the two brought in. ....and hopefully there is more to come
10-07-2012, 01:25 PM
Ollie the Optimist

source: Stand by your beds.Sky Sports News' Dharmesh Sheth claims a well-placed source is telling him there are echoes of the Wayne Rooney situation about the Robin van Persie statement and that it's not set in stone he'll be leaving the club. Guess that's one to watch.

from http://www.sportinglife.com/football...ive-clockwatch
10-07-2012, 01:28 PM
Syn

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Originally Posted by Coney

If RvP decides that, since the Arsenal have shown willing by buying some real players, he will sign a new contract, I would be perfectly happy to have him as captain as I think he has done a better job than anyone since Patrick Vieira. If he was doing what he did to force the board and Wenger to spend some money - I have no problem with that. After all, if it means we finally get to win some silver, there will be nothing to forgive.

If he stays and signs a new contract - he will have done exactly that. He has forced the board and Wenger to spend more money. On him.

He doesn't give a fuck about the club. Same as Rooney. Same as most footballers these days. He cares about himself and himself only - if we cough up the money, we've got a #decent chance of keeping him and I think we will. But we'll see.
10-07-2012, 01:33 PM
Cripps_orig

Couldnt care less if he stays or goes.

RVP seems to think hes this all important guy at Arsenal. Hes not.

Fuck him if he goes, fuck him if he stays.

Just get it sorted one way or another asap but knowing Wenger as we do, he'll be sold after the season begins probably on deadline day and then Wenger will use the classic "we didnt have time to bring in a replacement" line

Its happening
10-07-2012, 01:50 PM
McNamara That Ghost...

RVP can stick it up his bollocks.
10-07-2012, 01:52 PM
Cripps_orig

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

RVP can stick it up his billy big bollocks.

Just corrected your little mistake there
10-07-2012, 01:53 PM
Fist of Lehmann

He does what he wants,
He does what he waaaaaaa-ants...
10-07-2012, 01:54 PM
Özim

Quote:

Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

source: Stand by your beds.Sky Sports News' Dharmesh Sheth claims a well-placed source is telling him there are echoes of the Wayne Rooney situation about the Robin van Persie statement and that it's not set in stone he'll be leaving the club. Guess that's one to watch.

from http://www.sportinglife.com/football...ive-clockwatch

I can confirm I've just seen a stone with "Robin Van Persie is leaving Arsenal" on it, looks like he's wrong.
10-07-2012, 01:58 PM
McNamara That Ghost...

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

I can confirm I've just seen a stone with "Robin Van Persie is leaving Arsenal" on it, looks like he's wrong.

Was that on your way to the bottle bank?
10-07-2012, 02:00 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Was that on your way to the bottle bank?

Yes and I saw Wenger there, you won't be suprised to hear he had no bottle!
10-07-2012, 02:05 PM
LDG

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Yes and I saw Wenger there, you won't be suprised to hear he had no bottle!

Why was he at the bottle bank then? :unsure:

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