Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

I said a while ago I'd be surprised if we signed him for the reported 40 million but I think it is probably a formality. We won't be signing Kante as well though......he will be the contingency.

The most important signing will be the wide forward or centre forward if we are to seriously challenge though.

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Originally Posted by selassie

You have totally missed the point of my post but I will reply to what you are harping on about.

City and Chelsea have skewed the market to an extent, as have all the other Big European spenders, but the reality is they dictate the market prices to a degree, that's not to say we should follow suit and match them bid for bid but if we are in the market for a player who is a young semi-established international talent that captains his club side then we are going to have to pay a price.

The point of my post was more about us lowballing, if the selling clubs demands a fee, then we should negotiate from a realistic starting point if we want the player. We have form for lowballing and missing out on players hence why I posted the comment, in this instance it appears to be a hoax and the player appears to be close to joining us but in the past we have lost out on a fair few players through a combination of lowballing and dithering.

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I did not miss the point of your post. As you note, this appears to be a hoax. Monchengladach's post that there is an agreement but that it is pending suggests that the fee has been agreed. Do you know for a fact that we have regularly low-balled in a negotiation, or are you relying on "media" reports?

And if you feel I am harping on about something, feel free to not respond.

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Originally Posted by Toronto Gooner

I did not miss the point of your post. As you note, this appears to be a hoax. Monchengladach's post that there is an agreement but that it is pending suggests that the fee has been agreed. Do you know for a fact that we have regularly low-balled in a negotiation, or are you relying on "media" reports?

And if you feel I am harping on about something, feel free to not respond.

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Relying on "Media" reports, it's the only medium we can form our opinion from. I can't claim to know more than anybody who is not involved in the negotiations, I only go by what I have read, direct quotes in the media from people who have been involved in negotiations with Arsenal. We are known for lowballing, whether that is 100% fact is open to question but we do seem to have a bit of a rep for it. It's hardly a surprise with Wenger being involved :lol:

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Originally Posted by Toronto Gooner

Sadly, Arsenal no longer have the luxury of buying a player like Mahrez for such a low fee. Disregarding the outpouring of anger and frustration from some fans, the club has a double premium on any transfer fee: 6th richest football club in the world and a EPL club.

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Not sure that's entirely true. The time and the circumstances are important too. Take Cech for example, he wanted London. That was a major factor for him so the gypos and mancs were out of the running despite their cash piles. And he was already moving away from the chavs. So we got him for £10-11mill which was a steal. Same with Ozil, we stole him. It was a late deal thing that didn't allow other clubs to get their acts together. And there was the same sort of feel about the Alexis deal too, except super early before the hype bandwagon could get rolling. I think you have to have your eyes open, be willing to strike when there's a deal to be done and not worry too much about who else is playing. Grudgingly I think we haven't done too badly on the major transfers recently. That's not the issue. It's how we then use those players that's the big problem, but that's another topic. I bet there are good deals out there if there's a real intent to get the deals done. We shouldn't be fucking around this summer. We all know what's needed. Even Wenger knows what's needed. Surely.

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Originally Posted by selassie

You have totally missed the point of my post but I will reply to what you are harping on about.

City and Chelsea have skewed the market to an extent, as have all the other Big European spenders, but the reality is they dictate the market prices to a degree, that's not to say we should follow suit and match them bid for bid but if we are in the market for a player who is a young semi-established international talent that captains his club side then we are going to have to pay a price.

The point of my post was more about us lowballing, if the selling clubs demands a fee, then we should negotiate from a realistic starting point if we want the player. We have form for lowballing and missing out on players hence why I posted the comment, in this instance it appears to be a hoax and the player appears to be close to joining us but in the past we have lost out on a fair few players through a combination of lowballing and dithering.

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Just remember that agents are slime. Their whole reason for living is cash and they'll do anything and say anything to get as much of it as they can. Most of them don't give a fuck about the players, they view them as commodities to be traded. You can see this by the amount of promising young players that ended up in the chav or gypo reserves, or the "wonder kids" that went to Marketing and were never heard of again. We're entering silly season and everything that gets reported in the media (the whores that hang on the words of liars) needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, lime and a stiff tequila.

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Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice

I said a while ago I'd be surprised if we signed him for the reported 40 million but I think it is probably a formality. We won't be signing Kante as well though......he will be the contingency.

The most important signing will be the wide forward or centre forward if we are to seriously challenge though.

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I hope Kante stays at Leicester. Why wouldn't he? I don't get these players. Worshipped by the fans, PL title over the fire, everything balanced just perfectly, life is good. So where can I move to make more money. Horrible cunts basically.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Even Wenger knows what's needed. Surely.

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Did you just start following Arsenal? :lol:

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Just remember that agents are slime. Their whole reason for living is cash and they'll do anything and say anything to get as much of it as they can. Most of them don't give a fuck about the players, they view them as commodities to be traded. You can see this by the amount of promising young players that ended up in the chav or gypo reserves, or the "wonder kids" that went to Marketing and were never heard of again. We're entering silly season and everything that gets reported in the media (the whores that hang on the words of liars) needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, lime and a stiff tequila.

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you can say this same exact thing about clubs, tbf.

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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

I am wayyyy too hungover to read all that

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Condensed version:

Definitely need a CF, CM and RB.

Might need a backup Goalkeeper.

CB and LB are going to be needed at some point, but aren't critical yet.

I think Walcott will leave. Would be nice to bring in a proper, world-class wide attacker in his place, but I'd also be happy to give someone like Willock or Toral a chance.

Ramsey and Ox should be spanked in front of the other players, and made to stand in the corridor.

Keep Sanchez and Özil at all costs! Not because they're irreplaceable, but because our negotiating team seems to struggle with anything more than one or two deals per window.

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

Did you just start following Arsenal? :lol:

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No, but there must be a word that describes a thing that has become so obvious it is way beyond obvious. Whatever that word is, it describes where we are now. The situation is like a cold, dead salmon being slapped around his face so maybe Wenger will notice?