I don't think Young is particularly a special player, I just feel as though he's the right kind of player for United and they will get the best out of him IMO.
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I don't think Young is particularly a special player, I just feel as though he's the right kind of player for United and they will get the best out of him IMO.
Ferguson doesn't do individuals. He makes teams, and that's the difference.
Young has been purchased to be a part of that team, and will be drilled as such.
I don't think half their players are that special. They just work in a unit which fucntions as SAF sees fit.
Theo Walcott has scored more goals and created more chances this season than in A Youngs best. He's already the real deal IMO. Would SAF have got better use out of either? Certainly, but I'd rather have a 21 year old Walcott than an Ashley Young who's now in his prime.
Under Ferguson you watch how quickly Young develops, especially his all round game (including tracking back) which Ferguson places a lot of emphasis on. Yes, there are many better wingers out there than Young, but he is talented, and at United I think he'll be forced to work on his weaknesses and become a more all round footballer.
Compare that to Arsenal in recent years, and Wenger's dismal record of actually developing players (something that he's renouned for) Players like Denilson, Diaby, Bendtner have barely progressed at all, and show the same flaws that they did at the start of their careers (admittedly the players themselves need to take a lot of responsibility for that) Denilson is still dreadful at tracking off the ball runners. I imagine under Ferguson he'd either have learnt to improve the defensive side of his game or he'd be out of the club a lot earlier.
That's dead right. Ferguson, like people such as Brian Clough and Bill Shankley in the past, know how to take a team of mostly not too special players and make them perform as a team and in the long grind of a season, that pays dividends. What we are missing is a couple of key players in the team who, while not the most skillful in the world, are able to produce the glue to bring the whole thing together. I sometimes think that while Wenger must know that we need some 'glue' players he is waiting for one who can do that AND be a top skill player, when getting the catalyst players is more important than worrying if they are only second best in the skills area.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Firstly he plays for a stronger side who create a lot of chances and have a lot of possession, it makes sense that Walcott has more goals and assists...especially as Villa had a bad season.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBapologist
Young IMO is more devastating than Walcott, on form in a top team he'll tear defences apart, he's not just about speed, his crossing is also excellent.
As has been said Ferguson builds team and Young is just another ingredient, he's something they lack and Ferguson has been quick to fill the gap.
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Originally Posted by LDG
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I think Theo & quite a few of our young talents would be further ahead in their development under SAF, a lot further ahead.
Ashley Young will probably dislodge Theo from the National team IMHO. I think he'll develop into a very very good player under SAF.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBapologist
I like Theo and think he has more potential than Ashley Young but for over the next few years I think Young will develop into the more efficient player.
Hmmm. A worrying topic. Are our players improving under Wenger? The evidence, largely, would appear not.
Some are, some aren't. Same with every team really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nasri Scoreng
Yep, that is well put. :good:Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Daily Mail reports we have reignited our interest in some nobody called Alvarez for £12m
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Originally Posted by AKBapologist
I dont particularly care Mancs have got Young cos hes shit and was shit for Villa last season and Theo is far better.
Its the fact that Man Utd are out there buying and improving their squad whilst we do f all thats gets on our goat.
Im surprised the record still plays, its so broken.
Any real news going on today that doesnt involve masturbating over SAF?
Reminds me of Arsene and Arsenal repeating the same mistakes over and over again season in and season out ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Save me Jeebus!
And real news concerning Arsenal? In summer? :lol:
Our number one transfer target has rejected us and will play for Barcelona instead.
http://www.givemefootball.com/premie...l---accepts-b?
What a shameQuote:
Originally Posted by Boss
This, with Fergie its how to keep winning. Arsenal don't have that motivation to win as were not used to winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Players go to Chelsea and the mancs with the motivation to win stuff not us.
Chelsea will want there league title back that will be their motivation, liverpool will be catching the mancs record.
what will ours be?
We'll bide our time and get him when he's 16...Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
doing things the "right way"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
....whilst asking for 60mil for our star player -- as if we'll ask for any less than our valuation for him.
....which is what most clubs do except we don't think it is moral when other clubs want to sell at exhorbitant rates.
Hey, the market is immorally inflated -- let's sell our players off for as much as we can weasle out in said market but let's hop onto a moral high-ground when we have to buy stuff!
Wenger's hypocrisy is quite embarrassing tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by budesonide
So if Wenger should sell Cesc off on the cheap that would better maintain his stance and make him less of a hypocrite?Quote:
Originally Posted by budesonide
Sometimes I think we need to start winning stuff just so the complete fucktards will crawl back into the woodwork.
Our stance with Cesc is totally reasonable, and I wouldn't expect our manager to be doing anything else than to try and get the highest price possible out of him. However, at the same time Wenger moans about an artificially inflated transfer market, criticising implicitly clubs that ask exorbitant prices for their players, claiming it distorts the market. Ultimately, we've put our own valuation on Cesc, the same way other clubs like Sunderland put their own valuations on their prized assets like Henderson. Wenger shouldn't preach to other clubs about the way they try to get the best price out of their players, since that is what we do.
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Originally Posted by cricketsi
I don't think calling people fucktards helps in any way tbh. It just adds credence to the belief that those who support Wenger are incapable of listening to even the slightest criticism of him or his methods.
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Originally Posted by Joker
Yeah Wenger should make a stance and sell Cesc for a mars bar and a curly wurly... ;)
http://www.ashburtongrove.co.uk/2011...nal-have.html?Quote:
Italian president claims Arsenal have signed Ricardo Alvarez
Maurizio Zamparini, the president of Palermo, has claimed in an interview Arsenal have signed Ricardo Alvarez.
Zamparini told Tuttosport:
"Alvarez? We had a specific interest we had in hand as early as January. Unfortunately, our mistake we did a quick run at the moment and has already signed for the 'Arsenal'. "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeSIgyfG1sc
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I agree Joker, and I would request that people start realising that there an infinite number of shades of grey and virtually no (if any) shades of black and white when it comes to discussing the pros and cons of Arsenal's footballing policies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
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Originally Posted by cricketsi
Sarcasm/irony is lost on you my friend! Read my post again :yawn:
and I almost thought irony was foreign to GW. Why do you have to do that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
Nasri's replacement, I guess. He's tall, seems strong physically, great technical ability, and he has had a terrible time with injuries. Perfect for us. I'm assuming we've scouted him for years now, cos we wouldn't go for him on a whim. Still a little sceptical with the report on him from that scout Karl something, but Wenger isn't a bad judge of ability for the most part in terms of attacking players.
No it doesn't, it's completely unrelated to my opinion of Wenger that I find your posting ridiculous and tedious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
Alvarez reminds me of Kaka, looks strong, quick, skillful and composed...only problem is I can't see where hes going to play for us unless Cesc goes.
In what way is my posting tedious? I don't go around posting "Wenger out!" in every thread do I? Yes, I do think Wenger should leave, but I try and give my reasons for why I believe that, and I respect others who feel differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by cricketsi
Ladies :tiphat:
Wrong thread or are you actually calling the posters on this thread ladies?Quote:
Originally Posted by dazthegooner
He'll play on the wing, Arsene loves playing his central players there.Quote:
Originally Posted by server too busy!
Starting threads slating RvP after nearly every match was downright tedious. As was your use of the phrase "free market fundamentalist". Fair enough, you've probably reined in your more irritating posting since the board switchover.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
Everybody is entitled to an opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by cricketsi
Indeed, that is an opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie