Jack Wilshere and our future midfield

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Originally Posted by Özim

The fact they won't give me the job? As for other clubs, pretty sure those clubs won't just settle for 4th every season to be honest, 4th would be seen as a stepping stone to more and after 10 years I doubt very much any manager would have lasted 9 years at any other big club.

Not all clubs think money is the be all and end all.

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Hmmm - difference between us and the likes of Sp*ds and Newcastle is that they try as hard as they can (intermittently in M'castles' case) but can't make the leap to where we are. They might have aspirations, but for them its a dream rather than our reality.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Find me another manager who finds finishing top 4 every year 'not too hard to do' while spending so little, in net terms, in the transfer market.
The way some people talk on here it's like any idiot could do what Wenger's done.

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I don't care about finishing top for and making up the numbers in the CL, I prefer the FA Cup and thus I don't really rate the achievement that highly.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Won't give you the job? Why not? They currently have a bumbling, clueless fool in charge who is robbing them every year. Surely they'll take anyone just to get rid of him? The job is really easy, pays £7mill a year, give it a shot. They can only say no but you definitely won't get it if you don't apply.

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Yeah like you're going to get a 7 million a year job at a big club just like that. Only the best coaches get paid that, those that deliver success.

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Originally Posted by IBK

Hmmm - difference between us and the likes of Sp*ds and Newcastle is that they try as hard as they can (intermittently in M'castles' case) but can't make the leap to where we are. They might have aspirations, but for them its a dream rather than our reality.

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I agree with this, but you also feel it they did get top 4 this wouldn't be the limit of their ambition. Was it last season or the one before they were talking about the title?

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Originally Posted by Özim

Yeah like you're going to get a 7 million a year job at a big club just like that. Only the best coaches get paid that, those that deliver success.

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Well Wenger manages it and he's a total mong. Are you saying you can't compete against total mongs?

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Originally Posted by Özim

I agree with this, but you also feel it they did get top 4 this wouldn't be the limit of their ambition. Was it last season or the one before they were talking about the title?

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So if they actually did manage to achieve what Wenger has achieved they definitely wouldn't be as shit as Wenger?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Well Wenger manages it and he's a total mong. Are you saying you can't compete against total mongs?

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Yeah he does get it, but you won't find another coach who doesn't win for as long who does, he's the exception and that's only because the clubs number 1 interest is cash.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

So if they actually did manage to achieve what Wenger has achieved they definitely wouldn't be as shit as Wenger?

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I didn't say that, I said if they got top 4 this wouldn't be the limit of their ambition, they'd probably invest more to try and win the title or some trophies, it's called progression, you reach your first goal and then move onto the next.

We settle for top 4, if we get better it's a bonus not a necessity, but top 4 is a great achievement and we're happy with that.

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Originally Posted by Özim

I don't care about finishing top for and making up the numbers in the CL, I prefer the FA Cup and thus I don't really rate the achievement that highly.

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Pretty much everyone in football does though, clubs are falling over themselves to get up there. I'd rather win the FA Cup than finish top 4 too by the way but unfortunately finishing top 4, qualifying for the CL and the resulting money and prestige is extremely important. I seriously doubt we'd have signed Ozil if we weren't in the CL.

I agree it shouldn't be like that but that's modern football. To finish top 4 for as many years as we have, especially during the stadium move and the rise of the billionaire backed clubs, is a remarkable achievement.

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Originally Posted by Özim

I agree with this, but you also feel it they did get top 4 this wouldn't be the limit of their ambition. Was it last season or the one before they were talking about the title?

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How did that turn out?

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Originally Posted by Letters

Pretty much everyone in football does though, clubs are falling over themselves to get up there. I'd rather win the FA Cup than finish top 4 too by the way but unfortunately finishing top 4, qualifying for the CL and the resulting money and prestige is extremely important. I seriously doubt we'd have signed Ozil if we weren't in the CL.

I agree it shouldn't be like that but that's modern football. To finish top 4 for as many years as we have, especially during the stadium move and the rise of the billionaire backed clubs, is a remarkable achievement.

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I don't understand why, it's one thing if you have an outside chance, but if you don't other than the money it's a pile of sh*t, the fact they let 3-4 teams for some countries also devalues the competition massively.

The CL IMO is ruining football somewhat because now winning cups is suddenly not that important but winning nothing and coming 4th is something amazing, history books aren't going to remember who came 4th, they won't be saying Arsenal came 4th in 2014 in 20 years time.

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Originally Posted by Letters

How did that turn out?

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Obviously it didn't work out, that wasn't the point though, we seem happy with 4th but you feel certain other clubs would if in our position be setting their sights higher. I seriously re-sent the attitude at the club and the fact we get force-fed cr*p about how getting 4th = a wonderful season.

It does, for the owners and shareholders.

We're not happy with 4th. Now that the stadium project is supposedly yielding the result we wanted to see it's time to start delivering on the pitch. This project isn't open ended, it has a start and an end date. Now the big deals are signed if we don't press the benefits we've put up with so much shit to gain then that would be a problem.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Pretty much everyone in football does though, clubs are falling over themselves to get up there. I'd rather win the FA Cup than finish top 4 too by the way but unfortunately finishing top 4, qualifying for the CL and the resulting money and prestige is extremely important. I seriously doubt we'd have signed Ozil if we weren't in the CL.

I agree it shouldn't be like that but that's modern football. To finish top 4 for as many years as we have, especially during the stadium move and the rise of the billionaire backed clubs, is a remarkable achievement.

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Letters - you need to remember that there is still such a thing as a club to have greater ambition. Under Wenger, fourth is pretty much a given for us - as it should now be given our resources. We need to start aiming higher and show some ambition.

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Originally Posted by IBK

Letters - you need to remember that there is still such a thing as a club to have greater ambition. Under Wenger, fourth is pretty much a given for us - as it should now be given our resources. We need to start aiming higher and show some ambition.

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Agreed and I do think we have greater ambitions but till the new commercial deals were in place we were slightly hampered.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Agreed and I do think we have greater ambitions but till the new commercial deals were in place we were slightly hampered.

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I will wait till the end of august to see if we have greater ambition or not.I wont be getting too excited though after we signed the amazing kalstrom in january.

I think that's fair enough. We have made progress this year but there's more work to do this summer.

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Originally Posted by saintnickle

I will wait till the end of august to see if we have greater ambition or not.I wont be getting too excited though after we signed the amazing kalstrom in january.

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Even though we have signed the big sponsorship deals and most of the stadium is paid for, if we failed to finish in the top four, the board would use that as an excuse not to spend too much money.