Classic case of thinking hes better than he isQuote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
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Classic case of thinking hes better than he isQuote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
seconds outQuote:
Originally Posted by Ach
round 2
*ding ding*
Like i said Ches is AW no1 so it don't matter if we bought in another keeper he'd be benched and only Fabianski would settle for that no top keeper would.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Where did i say he can make many mistakes, stop twisting my words, but there is a reason he is selected ahead of the other 2. You think Bould would tell Wenger he should be picked if the other 2 were better then him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Ps im not disagreeing with you he needs competion btw.
He's out of the next game with little bit ankle problem.
Mysterious injuries coupled with errors?
Chesney. :rose:
Szcezsny is our No. 1 keeper. That means that he is on the teamsheet if fit. As well as Mannone did for the first 3 games, that's the way it works. Whether over time, Szcezsny proves himself unworthy of his No. 1 position is a different issue.
Is this true? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Schoolboy error on Saturday. That kind of shit can't be tolerated. Somebody needs to kick him in the bollocks.
Id say he'd been dropped but knowing how bad we Are with injuries its clear he is injured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
mannone was treated harshly but then again given his history, most people were absolutely bowled over he played so well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
he isn't as good as a lot of fans hype him to be......but he could be.
apparently that was the fifth game in a row (including euros) that he has fucked up.
Charlie, I reckon Szcznesny has been dropped. Can't remember Wenger not backing his goalkeepers after mistakes. Although he didn't criticise him, he indirectly said his place was in danger which never happened even when Lehmann or Almunia were grassing them. You could tell he wasn't happy. We'll see but I think it's Mannone's position until he fucks up.
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Originally Posted by Syn
WTF has happend to flappyhandski. Cheseny's mind and Confidence seems to have dropped you can tell, think the Euro's has hit him hard.
Well, if he has been dropped (which it does look like) it's up to him to prove he's worthy of a start from now on...just like we were saying earlier.
It's all good.
Just hope Mannone is up to the challenege now. Big test tomorrow for the lad.
Mannone :bow:
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I think it's probably an injury http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...our-goalkeeper
That's not to say it can't be Mannone's place until he makes an error.
Young goalkeepers are probably little bit different breed. No set way for how you handle them. I don't think it's a bad thing if Szczesny is kept out by Mannone for the foreseeable. Ferguson chucks out De Gea every time he makes an error. Faith shouldn't encourage complacecny.
Realistically, you would think the long-term challenge would be from Martinez (Argie guy) but he's not in the CL squad
apparently after the game on saturday wenger was asked whether chez was playing with an injury. his answer was 'ive been told no'.
i have a feeling he is injured but once again questions need to be asked about our medical team. if he was playing with a slight injury then its stupid, especially as we've just had jack out for a year after he came back too soon from his injury.
maybe it provides an answer for chezza's awful distribution throughout the game.
Spot on, you know when Mannone fecks up even once what the reaction will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Not anymoreQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
As much as I think Chesney is on a poor run of form I'd much rather have him in goal than Mannone. Mannone doesn't fill me with any confidence at all.
I'd rather we kept Almunia as our number two as I think Mannone and Flappyanksi are both shitter than Almunia.
Mannone isnt the best but hes done well this season
He has done well this season but I can't be the only Gooner to have been somewhat alarmed by his inclusion when Chesney was injured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Hope he keeps up the good form though, although I think you're over-stating Chesney's problems it's obviously good for him to have a bit of pressure for the 'keeper position.
Think your being harsh on fabianski tbh, ge did well in the 10/11 season and had he not been injured i think we'd have gone on to win the CC and a few other things. As a no 2 fabs is ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
Chesney is deffo still the no 1, but like Ach has been saying he needs to be pushed ans hopefully him being Injured/Dropped could be the start of that.
That said i hope Mannone does well and if the lad earns himself a run in the team so be it.
Mannone doesn't seem to have much middle ground but I don't know why he has such a bad rep. Fabianski I could understand. Almunia I could understand. Vito has been alright, hasn't he? Not saying he hasn't had a couple (tbh I can only think of one) of shockers but as far as 'keepers go, has he really made enough errors that explains why he has done so shit? I think Mannone gets you either 4/10 or 10/10 but Szczesny was, last season, a guaranteed 7/10 goalkeeper. Sure we'd benefit from an absolute world-class goalkeeper but I really don't get the worrying over our options. It's not that bad, lads.
If Szczesny grasses another like that then I'll start to worry because the whole point of Szczesny is that - although he doesn't make spectacular saves which win you points - he does the simple stuff (particularly aerial) very well.
Olympiakos and that one he dropped on someone's head (Blackburn? Birmingham?). His mistake ratio is a lot better than Fabianski's at that kind of stage, who was averaging a clanger a match.
You are right about Szczesny's strengths. Up until Saturday I could not think of many set-pieces or aerial balls he had dropped resulting in a goal. That was the immediate difference post-Almunia and the odd Fabianski appearance. You'd be inclined to say it's a one-off, which is not to say other aspects of his game - long-range shot stopping, distribution - are great right now. But the fundamental factor for goalkeepers is confidence and you can't improve otherwise.
I do think Chesney is a good goalkeeper and has potential, I do however think he is vastly overrated on here he's got some work to do before he becomes top class.
The best goalkeepers can go 89 minutes without doing a thing and produce a top class save in the 90th minute when called on, they're basically there when you need them the most. We were lucky to have Seaman in goal for many years and the guy was a rock, of course he made the odd mistake (all keepers do) but he made save after save for us and his concentration level was second to none.
It's not fair to compare Chesney to someone like him, however if he wants to become a top goalkeeper he needs to develop some of the traits Seaman displayed and not come out with excuses about not being able to get up for small games.
:wave: Chezza
I think the reason he is hyped up on here, because he had great potential for his age. Lets be honest Keepers peek when they hit about 27/30, so its about right he'd make mistakes now after all he is still learning. Maybe it is too much to expect to much of him now and maybe he does need the competion to push him to be better. Im comfident in him though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
A ponytail would be a start.
I do think he needs to be reigned in at times, but there is a potentially great keeper there and he's shown enough promise for us to have some faith in him.
He's only 22 as well, there's so much room for improvement.
I sometimes wonder whether he would be so highly rated if it weren't for the fact he came after some long-standing problems in that position.
But yeah, still a kid by goalkeeping standards.
He was injured towards the end of last season too apparently.
And he was injured before Saturday's game.
All his dodgy performances have come in this period.
Other than that he's been very good and unless he suddenly becomes a constant flapper, there's little to worry about.
Why the hell he's been playing while injured is another question entirely. Although Fabianski was out (and is again out) for ages.
only wayne hennessey (6) from relegated wolves has made more errors leading to PL goals since august 2011 than wojciech szczesny (5).
Really? Thats surprisingQuote:
Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner
yep.
we've also only kept one clean sheet in the last 20 champions league away games which was in france against marseille last season.
but we have bould working on tactics this season not wenger so that'll probably change.
All keepers make mistakes even Joe haart who is suppose to be world class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner
rarely leads to goals though.
All I know is Ches is virtually throwing it in his own net like Almunia before him - and Almunia got slaughtered. So fair game when Ches makes howlers of the kind he's been making over the last few months. He can do all the man love stuff for the club and the fans (which I don't believe for a split second) but better if he keeps the ball out of the net. That's what he gets paid a silly amount to do so best he get on and do it. No sympathy, no tolerance, you get paid these amounts then fucking perform.
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Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner