Dont watch or follow French footballQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
I only know Montygomerie whatever won the title cos it was mentioned on GW by people pretending to giver a fuck about French football
Dont even know who the other CL quailifers
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Dont watch or follow French footballQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
I only know Montygomerie whatever won the title cos it was mentioned on GW by people pretending to giver a fuck about French football
Dont even know who the other CL quailifers
Buy Gary Hooper tbh
zimm i found this stat, i thought you might like it given you think hazard is great and kagawa is not so great.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
hazard - 192 apps, 50 goals, 38 assists (club) 26 apps, 1 goal (international)
kagawa - 198 apps, 86 goals, 45 assists (club) apps 30, goals 10. (international)
does this change your opinion at all? not trying to be wummish here, genuniely interested given what you ahve said about both players.
havnt we heard every year and all this season that their aim is to beat us in the league? thats hardly ambition is it? every year they come out with the same crap as this will be the year we beat arsenalQuote:
Originally Posted by selassie
The guy who helped the underdog overcome a bullshit big money team who tried to buy the French league. Sounds like just the sort of player we need given our own challenges with dogshit teams like city. His mate Belhanda is pretty tasty too - at least I would!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
I'm sure I heard/read somewhere that Mata thought he was heading to Arsenal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
Great talent, but he lacks desire, although with Wenger as his manager, he might get the best out of him. Wouldn't say no to that move at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Looking at Hazard, honestly I don't see a truly great player, I see a good player, but just like Neymar, he's getting hyped up to the moon. Because there really aren't that many great out of the players in today's game. So we just hype up any player who can do some nice things.
N_Q meant to say Aliadiere, actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
Why do we delay so much when signing one player ?
We've known about Hazard from around 2 years ago , ie when he scored against Liverpool, and I'm pretty sure Wenger knew about him before. A £10 million or so bid would have been enough back then. Same goes for M'Vila, just tie it up already, rather than inviting other clubs to join in and we lose the player.
Siggurdson just joined Swansea for about £7 mill, and it happened fairly quickly !
We did bid for hazard but he wanted to stay at Lille and they didn't want to sell him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
You can't always assume that it's our end that is being held up, sometimes it's the other party that causes the issues.
Also, we bought podolski for £10m , and it happened fairly quickly ;)
You bloody tart!Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Kagawas off to united.
RVP probably wants to leave.
And is no one else noticing how the best players from the so called examples of poor teams winning leagues are being ripped apart. Doubt either will be a force next year.
Tomorrow some off you will all be saying how money has made zero impact whatsoever. Blindly protesting that were a big club whilst completely oblivious to the football economy that drives the sports foodchain.
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Seems as though United are confident of signing both Hazard and Kagawa.
Damn.
I hope Hazard dislocates a finger signing the contract. A diva, and he's only 21! He would be a nightmare for us, Barca dna would pop up after a season... no thanks.
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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Damn Kagawa is some player :( . Apparently he's going to cost up to £16 million.
'United is believed to be hopeful of wrapping up a quick deal but it is understood that Arsenal's interest remains strong and the Londoners could also submit an offer for a key figure in Dortmund's back-to-back league titles.'
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/69/tr...bid-for-kagawa
Can't be right because as we all well know it's all about money, they must be going to Man City since they have the most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
We're so slow when it comes to transfer negotiations that I think they're pretty safe, they should have most of the summer to wrap this deal up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
You're saying money isn't a factor? :sarcy:Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
I'm saying money isn't the only criteria as some people seem to think. Money comes into it but for many players there are other factors such as style of play, manager profile, previous successes, probability of playing regularly, location.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
There's lots of factors, I don't think players sign for Man U purely because of the financial side, in a head to head vs us they are more successful and have been much more successful in recent years, more ambitious in terms of chasing success and have more international appeal generally due to success in Europe as well.
Being a successful club brings you a lot of prestige and that's attractive to players.
Is not the only factor, but is the biggest.
Anyone else remember what Fergie did to stop Rooney from leaving? Could you see that happing here?
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I think we are beign a bit harsh on our team. Ebven in the glory years AW tended to sign more Podolski type players than Hazard/Neymar type ones - After Bergkamp, we were never linked to the over-hyped so-called superstars. I don't think that much has changed in this regard.
I think we can all accept that AW probably over-reached himself with his youth project about 3 or so years ago, and that he paid too much for a batch of players who didn't work out and who are now dead wood. But he has also unearthed some very good players - and it would be interesting to see how many more illustrious signings have failed at our competitors' teams.
Clearly, the likes of Citeh and the Chavs will have a better success hit rate, because they are able to pay more for players in the first place - but even at those teams there have been some spectacular failures. To suggest that we should be in the running with them for the likes of Hazard is ridiculous, as clearly we can compete. And as some have said, I think we should avoid this type of hyped player like the plague. Remember that the season just past is the first time that we have not suffered the corrosive effect of players who think they are too good for arsenal, and it has showed.
I wonder whether the real issue is not the lack of ''ambition" that failure to sign the superstars represents, but rather the inherent conservatism/stubbornness that seems to prevent us from signing the 2 or 3 quality players needed to push on. I have a lot more sympathy with this argument. Its ridiculous that we gambled on RVP staying fit this season; that the manager continues to look on Diaby as a useful contributer to our team; that we have no first call back up for holding midfielder - all of which contributed to the points gap between us and the Mancs this season. Lets hope that wenger's learnt his lesson.
But even if he has, I think its pointless to wish for a £30M player signing for us this Summer, and would most probably be a mistake to do so.
I would like a Falco, Aguero or Yaya Toure because they are exactly the type and quality of players we really need. Not because of there price tag.
And quite honestly, until the club charge reasonable ticket prices I'm not prepared to accept anything less
My predictions:
RVP leaves
Guroid comes in
Hulk goes to chavs
City have a quiet summer replacing one or two of their strikers
United rebuild their midfield
Liverpool end up with a pub teamer for manager.
We fail to shift most of the shit until the final day of the tranfser window doing another 1 step forward 2 steps back.
Will much rather have Giroud than Hulk, really don't see what is great about him.
Dont know what youre on about. He's incredible.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
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Originally Posted by Coney
I agree completely. I'd just hoped you would have seen the joke. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Win some, lose some. We beat them to Ramsey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
http://www.goal.com/en/news/596/excl...to-other-clubs
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He's green when it comes to these things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
he's ok, but he's not a big time striker, he's a pub league striker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Thing he'd be a marvel for us, he'd gain super hero status.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
Money well spent. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
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Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
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Us not getting Hazard is understandable, although if we go back to 2003-2004 we'd at least be in with a shout of getting him even if teams could offer him more money. However, that doesn't excuse us passing up the opportunity to get good quality players who wouldn't have cost the earth, which we've done over the last 5 years. The names have already been mentioned in this thread (Alonso, Mata, Parker, Ben Arfa/Cabaye etc), and instead we went to the bargain basement and settled for dross like Chamakh, Silvestre, Bischoff, Park, Denilson, Squillaci, Almunia, Fabianski, etc. Wenger has made some decent signings like Vermaelen, Sagna and now Podolski but they are vastly outnumbered by the crap in recent years.
Eduardo; Nasri; Koscielny; Song; Oxlade; Arshavin; Nasri; Arteta; Mertesacker. All players who were either 'names' or quality players. Not sure Wenger's got it any more wrong than other top managers when evened out. Even the great SAF had to rely on 2 geriatrics this season because he didn;t have sufficient quality in house...Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
David Ornstein @bbcsport_david
M'Vila camp tell me he will not be joining Arsenal or any other PL club as things stand. Only serious interest from elsewhere in Europe #afc
He's exactly the type of player we need, and he wouldn't cost the earth nor would we be in competition with Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd etc. Why aren't we seriously interested?
Fair point but some of those were simply bought in to replace first team players. For example, Eduardo replaced Henry, Arteta replaced Cesc and Nasri replaced Hleb. He should have bought this calibre of players to augment the squad, not simply to replace players who had left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
How much do you actually know about M'Vila? Why do you say he's exactly what we need? Seems to me with Sagna out we need a FB more than another midfielder. And even though Podolski is here, another striker is required if you consider Chamakh, Vela, Bendtner aren't viable. Jack will be back, who are we dropping for M'Vila? Song or Arteta? I know it's good to have options but chucking a load of cash at another midfield player seems luxurious when we are short on quality in other areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
You use HTC One X only to read this pile shite? really? :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBapologist