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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

It's not just the media though is it, it's his own fans/manager as well.

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well what do you expect?

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

well what do you expect?

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From his manager, playing down of the hype to keep his feet on the ground.

From the fans recognition that whilst talented he's not a magic fix for our creativity problems, at least not for some time.

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Originally Posted by BoringBoringArsenal

That's why I say he needs to stay fit so he can play more games over a few seasons and properly master his craft.

And what that someone said is pretty much their opinion which I don't particularly have to subscribe to. All our midfielders have had woeful games. Take Santi for example, he's never stood out on a rough night has he? Especially against opposition of note. People mention Rosicky, but he's had more than his fair share of howlers, right? Is there any other worth mentioning?


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As shit as Brazil have become they are still highly respected and feared in everything football, and as big a **** as Alves is, he's still a bit qualified realise top talent.

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I personally think he needs to play games alongside better players that he can learn from to improve more, playing is great but I don't think young players get the best education in our current setup.

Of course you're entitled to your opinion and yes you're right all players have bad game, I just don't think Wilshere has really done all that much yet, he's good to have but he's not crucial to the team at the moment, in time that might change of course.

Rosicky has an obvious impact on games, he's much more direct I've noticed that from day one with us, his injuries have obviously curtailed his impact, Cazorla has playmaking abilities though, he picks passes and makes things happen when playing well and dictates games. Wilshere doesn't really do this, his dribbling is pretty good and he beats men but he doesn't make the team tick like someone like Cazorla can.

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

From his manager, playing down of the hype to keep his feet on the ground.

From the fans recognition that whilst talented he's not a magic fix for our creativity problems, at least not for some time.

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which is exactly what he has done everytime the england hype has come up. apart from that he has praised his efforts to the team.

so you don't expect fans to get excited about players potential? that in a time when things are quite solemn to look for hope in someone who seems to be as one with the club as they are? sure, if you look at it from a cold, detached, non-understanding point of view from the internet that makes sense.

i rue the day when every single fans has their 'feet on the ground' to become some sort of soulless, robo-fan that assessing all the possibilities before getting a little carried away, proud or excited about something at the football club they support.

idolism is the heart and soul of football.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

which is exactly what he has done everytime the england hype has come up. apart from that he has praised his efforts to the team.

so you don't expect fans to get excited about players potential? that in a time when things are quite solemn to look for hope in someone who seems to be as one with the club as they are? sure, if you look at it from a cold, detached, non-understanding point of view from the internet that makes sense.

i rue the day when every single fans has their 'feet on the ground' to become some sort of soulless, robo-fan that assessing all the possibilities before getting a little carried away, proud or excited about something at the football club they support.

idolism is the heart and soul of football.

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I'm not sure Wenger has ever played down expectations about a player, if anything he hypes them up even more.

Yes of course, but I think they need to have shown more than Wilshere has on the pitch, he's not been the most productive in terms of goals or creativity, he's made some nice runs but without really delivering an end product. What usually excites fans is players who can do the unexpected and produce a moment of magic to win matches, he hasn't done that IMO.

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

I'm not sure Wenger has ever played down expectations about a player, if anything he hypes them up even more.

Yes of course, but I think they need to have shown more than Wilshere has on the pitch, he's not been the most productive in terms of goals or creativity, he's made some nice runs but without really delivering an end product. What usually excites fans is players who can do the unexpected and produce a moment of magic to win matches, he hasn't done that IMO.

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you gave examples of wenger over hyping wilshere for england, can find much for him at arsenal?

fans idolise who they want, to get what THEY want from spending money, or investing time watching the team. that's the point. it is a completely selfish act to allow players to live out the fantasies they want to see played out for them on the pitch. in return, the player becomes king of the hill for however long it lasts. so it doesn't matter what it should or shouldn't be, this is what it is. fans idolise wilshere. whether he has topped the assists charts or bummed out every single game in the season, the fans love him. the driving reason is because he is an Arsenal boy, a rarity in any club, so regardless of what he does on the pitch he'll be adored, and rightly so. how rare is it to see someone who remotely resembles where we come from out there representing the club we love? it's the closest most fans will ever get to pulling on the jersey themselves, which is why they WANT to love him. fans want him to succeed to badly, so invest all hope and dreams into that happening. so it may happen a little prematurely - where is the harm in that?

just think of the many average players who stick around in lower league clubs rarely offering much bar averageness throughout their careers. yet they become legends just because of the fact they have stuck around and REPRESENT the guys watching them.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

you gave examples of wenger over hyping wilshere for england, can find much for him at arsenal?

fans idolise who they want, to get what THEY want from spending money, or investing time watching the team. that's the point. it is a completely selfish act to allow players to live out the fantasies they want to see played out for them on the pitch. in return, the player becomes king of the hill for however long it lasts. so it doesn't matter what it should or shouldn't be, this is what it is. fans idolise wilshere. whether he has topped the assists charts or bummed out every single game in the season, the fans love him. the driving reason is because he is an Arsenal boy, a rarity in any club, so regardless of what he does on the pitch he'll be adored, and rightly so. how rare is it to see someone who remotely resembles where we come from out there representing the club we love? it's the closest most fans will ever get to pulling on the jersey themselves, which is why they WANT to love him. fans want him to succeed to badly, so invest all hope and dreams into that happening. so it may happen a little prematurely - where is the harm in that?

just think of the many average players who stick around in lower league clubs rarely offering much bar averageness throughout their careers. yet they become legends just because of the fact they have stuck around and REPRESENT the guys watching them.

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Top post this....

From a real passionate Gooner's perspective I'd say.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

you gave examples of wenger over hyping wilshere for england, can find much for him at arsenal?

fans idolise who they want, to get what THEY want from spending money, or investing time watching the team. that's the point. it is a completely selfish act to allow players to live out the fantasies they want to see played out for them on the pitch. in return, the player becomes king of the hill for however long it lasts. so it doesn't matter what it should or shouldn't be, this is what it is. fans idolise wilshere. whether he has topped the assists charts or bummed out every single game in the season, the fans love him. the driving reason is because he is an Arsenal boy, a rarity in any club, so regardless of what he does on the pitch he'll be adored, and rightly so. how rare is it to see someone who remotely resembles where we come from out there representing the club we love? it's the closest most fans will ever get to pulling on the jersey themselves, which is why they WANT to love him. fans want him to succeed to badly, so invest all hope and dreams into that happening. so it may happen a little prematurely - where is the harm in that?

just think of the many average players who stick around in lower league clubs rarely offering much bar averageness throughout their careers. yet they become legends just because of the fact they have stuck around and REPRESENT the guys watching them.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

You don’t have to look far to see the overhype. The story from GG on this thread which has kicked everything off is enough. He’s not a world class player yet, he hasn’t had a fantastic season yet he’s getting plaudits over players who contributed more for us this season. The Theo hype was high but this is bigger because he’s labelled as the saviour of Arsenal and England. Nobody put England or Arsenal’s future on Walcott’s shoulder and talk as if he was key to our success or England’s. That’s what’s happening with Jack at this moment.

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Part of the hype is that England fans are so desperate for a MF with genuine flair and technical ability. We have come to the point now where the likes of Jack; Oxlade and Walcott may well stagnate unless we bring in some serious talent that they can learn from. Rosicky and Carzola are performing that role for us ATM, and need to be supplemented. Hopefully a top 4 finish will make it happen. :pray:

You guys know if he starts v norwich and we dont win it proves hes bumcheeks right?