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We are not even a successful business, not in relative terms to the growth and potential of the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I personally don't think it's as black and white as we are just in it for profit, because we sure aren't maximising the commercial potential of the club.
Im honestly confused to what we are doing.
I think in fairness if they only cared about profit they wouldn't make such a mess over players wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Deportivo for instance wanted Perez back permenantly but we only managed to send him on loan with no option to buy at end of the season.
We still have Debuchy, Jenkinson, Campbell on the books. It may have all been about money at one time. But if anything Wenger has spunked more money up the wall than most. It seems more to me that the owner and what can be called the board, are largely as happy with the arrangement to leave it all up to Wenger as he is.
They plotted to force a DOF on him in my opinion as a reaction to fan anger being directed at them.
Of course Wenger is to blame he is not a patsy or an unwilling participant. He is a stubborn old control freak who is too scared of retirement and too arrogant as a result of his exulted position to either change his ways or go.
But I suspect it will take a lot to get rid of Wenger because it means they might have to earn their salaries
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
The only man that has power to get rid of Wenger is Kroenke. Ivan and Chips Keswick already threw Wenger under a bus last season when his contract renewal talks were at fever pitch, they were overruled by Kroenke. Wenger is here until Kroenke says otherwise.
Kroenke is obviously a major problem but so is Wenger. I don't even care that we are not top 4 material anymore but I do care that Wenger is doing nothing to get us back there. He's destroyed the technical side of this club.
And I don't think Kroenke is here enough to care.
As sleeping partners go he's in a coma
Wenger has to be hounded out. I didn't like this approach last season and in fairness I still don't like it now but it's hardly like he's left us much choice. It isn't like the home fan base turned on him in the majority, the way things are going now I think they are going to be pushed to it.
Getting booed at away games is one thing, facing the majority of fans at home games chanting "Wenger out".
He isn't some kind of super human, he already admitted the criticism last season got to him.
Cheer up guys.
Alexis is like a new signing.
I agree with this, but it's maximum profit with minimum effort IMO, realistically in the long term investing and being successful would reap much greater rewards, but ultimately there's a risk, one we don't want to take. It's an asset for Kroenke and as long as his asset grows in value and makes a nice profit every year he's happy, he can use this asset to make money elsewhere in areas he's more familiar with because let's be honest he's neither interested in football, nor does he have any knowledge about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
I'm pretty sure he will get hounded out this season, he's made his position untenable IMO. It's different to previous seasons, he is managing a toxic and divided squad now if the Reports are to be believed. This season is going to be very messy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Maybe they let Wenger have free reign, seeing as he delivers profit every year they are happy with his performance (Kroenke is anyway), this means Kroenke doens't have to get involved and has a business that runs itself whilst he can concentrate on things he's interested in, it's a sidenote for him nothing more, one that he doesn't hae to put any effort into.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
The wages thing is all Wenger, he has these crazy ideas about paying kids big money and re-signin up players who have never achieved anything on more money on long term contract and is utterly incompetent. Ironically he's let our 3 best players run down their contracts, that's Wenger all over though, clueless.
Kroenke doesn't care as long as his asset grows in value and he makes a profit, Wenger it totally incompetent and ridiculously stubborn and has way too much power over all aspsects, he doesn't see what everyone else see's and doesn't really value success on the pitch that highly, his measurement of success is finances.
Yeah I think its possible as well, if fans continue to protest inside stadium AND players look like they are downing toolsQuote:
Originally Posted by selassie
He's going to prove how great he is by getting 4th this season. #progress
Aye, I agree with this. What I don't fully understand is why we are not trying to do more to maximise our global appeal. I'm not talking about investing millions in marketing campaigns but more about aggressively exposes ourselves to the American and Asian markets like our rivals do. I actually think Gazidis has absolutely no power or say so at all. All decisions irrespective of what they are appear to be being made by Wenger and signed off by Kroenke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Time will tell, I think what's more likely is he'll pick up a few results against small teams and discontent will become less apparent, then he'll lose a couple and it'll come back and so on. At the end of the season when we have nothing to play for he'll win a few meaningless games and that will be that.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
The guy isn't leaving unless fans stop turning up and make it untenable for him, I can't see that happening, I've already heard the line that tourists will replace fans that don't turn up as an excuse, they won't, tourists won't be that bothered about seeing Arsenal, not at the prices they charge, we're not Barcelona.
The thing is though this is the first time in five years we have even made over 20million from a single player saleQuote:
Originally Posted by Özim
So yeah in general the club is ticking along nicely in terms of share value mainly due to tv money and ticket prices
Accumulatively Wengers shit socialist wage structure has seen us lose multiple millions in cash in the last few years
And yet he wouldn't give Ozil and Sanchez more money because he didn't like them earning more than him.
So he is essentially losing the club money as we are likely to lose both for nothing next season. So the maximising profit argument doesn't make sense.
Kroenke is absentee owner and it will take a lot for our financial up fuckery to be a danger to him as an investor.
Basically the whole thing is just about utter and total neglect.
I have no idea what’s going on. Seems like the Board are gripped by the Cult of Wenger. This can’t be a simple cash grab. It doesn’t add up. I’ve always said the wage bill was too high and if anyone were trying to maximise profit, they’d look to our wage bill first. That hasn’t happened.
We ended up with a £30m profit from the transfer window. That’s peanuts and couldn’t have been there overall target. Why not sell Sanchez for £60m if we need quick money? If he’s disruptive to the squad and team harmony, why keep would we keep him? Same can be said for Mustafi. If Wenger doesn’t rate him, why keep him and if the Board only care about money, why not cash in? Why not cash in on Chambers? If Wenger has said the Board may overrule him and he’ll accept their decision, why in the world would they not oblige and just sell the players if they’re more interested in profit?
It is very hard to make sense of, and I think it's because we are trying to find sensible explanations for itQuote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
The only conclusion I've been able to come to. Is that because Wenger is the only one at the club with extensive football knowledge that they just don't want to rattle his cage and would prefer to leave him to do as he sees fit.
Also we saw that when they do intervene, he basically disrespected his supposed bosses and shat all over them. Gazidis and Keswick don't have the where with all to just up and go, so they just I imagine sit back and think do what you like.
But whilst we here let's give some thought to Mahmood Ahmedinijad look a like Ryad Mahrez waiting all day at Charles De Gaulle airport waiting to get a flight to who knows where in the anticipation that he'd be moving there.
:violin:
People not going isn't going to happen on a scale that will impact upon the finances. This is exacerbated by the fact London is one of the worlds biggest tourist destinations and Arsenal is seen as a day out. Not just by visiting Arsenal fans, but fans of football in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Sadly for us, these fans are by far the most lucrative. No visit is complete for them without a visit to the Club shop, concessions, museum, etc.
So even if numbers drop, it doesn't matter. Many of the people not turning up are Season ticket holders, Silver and Red members who have either already ploughed their money into the coffers and/or won't be spending any further money other than at surrounding pubs and takeaways which means nothing to the Club.
So while overall attendance drops, revenue through more tickets available to visitors actually increases.
It is a fucked up world.
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Originally Posted by Niall Quinn
The protests will have to be about the visual effect and just showing discontent. They don't care that they've dropped the CL money. They're happy to let Ozil and Sanchez walk on a free and given up the chance to make at least £100m in the transfer window.
I think Wenger is here on a sympathy vote. It makes no sense to keep on otherwise.
Fans will just have to protest all season and see what happens.
Apparently we're safeguarding money for the next 2 transfer windows that's why we didn't have money left. That's a laugh and a half, we never by anyone in January and don't spend in the summer either!
1:11 in the below video.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41119891
Apparently we've improved the squad where Wenger wanted to, left back and up front and are looking to challenge this season :lol:
That's exactly how it will be done. The veteran warrior, the last great football manager, embattled, surrounded by his enemies, but still he finds a way to drag the team to 4th place triumph (or very close, within touching distance, how unlucky).Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
The players will have to find the way to do this, for the sake of their own careers. It has become a curse to be an Arsenal player now. Look at Ozil. Look at Walcott. Look at Ramsey. Look at the defenders. They are all perceived as weak, soft. They aren't. But they are drugged by Wenger's incompetence so they can easily be punched out by determined pub brawlers. We saw against the chavs in the cup final (and on a few other rare occasions) that this team can fight, that these players are no pushovers. The players will have to orgainise themselves for the rest of this season, fight for themselves, block everything else out including (somehow) Wenger. That is their only option now. They need a leader to step up, like a hated John Terry. Helps you to realise, doesn't it, that Terry may have led a revolt that made us all feel sick. But the resulting title more than compensated, go and ask any chav fan. Who is that leader in our club? Step forward. I think Ramsey may have put himself up for the job and if that's the case we have to give him 100% support through hell or high water.
It's all down to these players now. And the support the fans can give to drag them across every finish line. Players, playing for the fans, fans supporting the players through thick and thin. And Wenger must be LOCKED OUT by the fans. Booed every time he shows his face. It must be made clear he's not welcome here. He's unwanted. Unwanted by anyone bar the scumbags in the boardroom. They are his friends now, his only friends. He wanted it, now he's got it.
And if this can happen then this squad still has enough about it to claw its way to a top 4 finish. Won't be easy, but it's possible. And from that effort a team might emerge. And that team might encourage players to want to stay and new players to want to come. It's the only way. The players and the fans, the fans and the players.
By fan I mean anyone who has genuine sentiment for this club. Not those tourist cunts or those hopeless freaks who will never abandon the Cult of Wenger. Fuck them. They aren't included. They helped bring about this whole mess and they aren't the in any way useful for finding a solution.
And if the players and the fans can do this, then they'll just have to suck it up when that godawful, cowardly bunch of sycophantic pricks who call themselves journalists nominate Wenger as manager of the year. That will just have to be the price that is paid, the fantasy that will have to be endured. Like any other fantasy in our maggot ridden "representative democracy" where failure, waste and nest feathering are the ultimate drivers.
We have to start treating the media like Liverpool fans treat it.
This is achievable if there are enough Arsenal fans to make it happen and a connection can be established between the fans and the players. All this business about not giving the club our support or our money. Wrong! We aren't fighting the club. We're fighting the cunts who have hijacked it. So hoping for losses, slaughtering the players, refusing to watch, that's just inviting another fucking tourists to spend ten times what you would spend. We support the club, it's our club. But we hate the fucking cunts who have hijacked it, including that shitty bloke Wenger who is like the fucking Annakin Skywalker of football.
We could start by pouring every sort of message possible into Ramsey's inbox offering total, unwavering support.
30 million quid, roughly equivalent to lost earnings from a typically embarrassing CL campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
:lol: Thank you, Tuesday Club, for reminding me that Wenger would actually play Bendy on the right wing!
Very clever. The way they have synchronised the facial movements with Wenger's hand movements. A real pro too, having Arsene's fist stuck up your arsehole has to be a little distracting, although he's had enough experience by now to be used to it I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Yes indeed. Those are definitely the questions I'd ask as an Arsenal fan. Can't think of a single thing that wasn't covered. Thanks BBC.
Tuesday Club, my favourite too. Tbf, usually the only one I listen to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
"The Ox has signed for Liverpool, 4 days after making his debut for them."
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Originally Posted by Özim
Good news finally!
We've got the wrong end of the stick lads. In reality Arsenal deserve credit for this transfer window. Poor Arsenal just can't win with their despicable fans, fans who keep poking their noses into things that don't concern them. John Cross explains why we should be grateful this morning.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...eason-11093467
Everyone got their man.
Except us.
http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/arti...-stars-now.jpg
Good stuff. I'll listen to it on the way to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I've listened to a bunch of them this week because it's been quite cathartic to see other people wallow in the same misery I've been in since Sunday. Same reason why I've posted so much on here as well - stress therapy.
- Arsecast Extra: Elucidated the issues at the club very comprehensively
- ArsenalVision Podcast: Really highlighted Wenger's managerial flaws and incompetence but deliberately avoid talk of Ivan/Stan because of length.
- Bergkamp Wonderland: meh. Don't really like this one normally as it doesn't carry the same intellectual depth of the others - usually just a podcast version of AFTV of people rambling and repeating the obvious
Funniest one though had to be "Footballistically Arsenal" - I thought Ty and Neville were the only two, but they had three people (out of four) who were still Wenger in's and were doing damage control for the club. Albeit one of those was "GeoffArsenal", who's basically the king of the AKB's and Dan Roebuck who actually works for the club as a matchday commentator.
Link if you want to have a good laugh (and not in the good sense)
http://playbackmedia.co.uk/podcasts/...cally-arsenal/
Everyone wanted their man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Except us.
I might take out some life insurance and the give that a listen. I find it impossible to comprehend or even believe that anyone calling themselves a fan could be onboard with this shit now. But I'll try listening to the other side of the argument, provided I can get a decent premium on the insurance.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
I only really listen to Tuesday Club (when they make them) and the odd Arsecast or Le Grove one. Its definitely cathartic though.
Laughable isn't it, the clowns at the club think people will believe this nonsense (I know people have been gullible but come on).Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
I just wish someone would grill Arsene Wenger and co and really let them know what people think, he should come out and face the fans, of course he never does, worse still the club filter out all the awkward questions so he can get an easy ride and fans can be bored at the same questions being asked.
Would love him to face some of the fans we see who are annoyed to see how he deals with that, the guy has had it far far too easy and doesn't deserve it, he needs a reality check, someone telling him 4th place isn't a success and that he's done nothing in over a decade would be a start, there's so much people could say.
Maybe one day someone will setup a fan question time with Wenger, a bit like what AFTV did with Neville, credit where it's due he turned up, not sure Wenger would.
If you were Wenger would you?
Good points about Gilberto. One of the most underrated players of all. I'll always remember Wenger snubbing him for the captaincy and then getting rid of him for absolutely no reason whatsoever. That alarm bells should have been deafening by that stage, but I guess most of us were still basking in the glory days. Gilberto fucking loved this club. I remember his flag at the world cup when he was bossing it for Brazil - "It's just like watching Arsenal" Great bloke, great player. Fuck you Wenger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
http://playbackmedia.co.uk/podcasts/...cally-arsenal/
GRRRRRRR! Veins are starting to pop.
Geoff Cunt - 'Erm, well, you know, erm, all those people saying he's playing players out of position, well, err, you know, err, who's to say that, err, if another manager came in, err, you know?"
And that's it. The last reason why Wenger should stay. Because we might get a worse manager in to replace him (even though that's completely impossible).
If I was Wenger I wouldn't do what he's doing so I wouldn't be in that situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
But if you're responsible for a mess like this then you have a duty to face up to those concerned, as anyone would if they made an error at work.
If he believes in his methods so much then he should be brave enough to face people and reply to their questions/opinions, you don't get paid that kind of money a year ti hide behind the coat tails of the club, indeed if he cared at all about the fans he would, the club would have called a meeting many moons ago.
Filtering questions because you can't take the heat is cowardly IMO.
You'd be surprised at how many are still afraid of change. Stockholm Syndrome perhaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Afraid of change from this mess, I'd prefer the club the way it was before Wenger was in charge than this mess. At least back then there was still a lot to love about the club, what's left now? It's barely a football club anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars