NLD (Sunday)

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

But the conditions by which you claim he's the worst manager in football are totally arbitrary

He has failed to meet the expectations of fans or the rather extravagant promises made by Ivan Gazidis

He has failed to push the club further

To be the worst manager in football, he would have to have taken everything he's built and ruined it. Now objectively despite the constant frustration with the man are we really in a state of ruination?. Wenger has worn out his welcome with the fans but the question ultimately is would most top managers want to come here.

And I think the answer to that is yes. If he was the worst manager in football the club would be in a state where we would be desirable to no one.

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I didn't say we were the worst club in football either. This man hasn't got within a sniff a title challenge (let alone an actual title) in how many years? And now we're on the brink of falling behind yet another rival. He's a man with literally total control, a ton of resources and he's taking us backwards. I don't see how he can't be called the worst manager in the game. Who else has wasted what he's wasted and delivered fuck all for so long. Name somebody.

Just about everyone still on this forum.

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Originally Posted by Niall Quinn

Just about everyone still on this forum.

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Obviously I meant apart from us.

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Originally Posted by Letters

By who?

In the same way people who believe Wenger is the worst manager in world football (an equally absurd suggestion as yours, and, like yours, one not really believed by anyone) spin anything and everything to suit their agenda.
And so what? People will always spin things to suit their agenda.

Very few people want Wenger to stay now whatever happens this season and frankly we don't have any power to affect change anyway.
I'd like us to finish top 4 and win the FA Cup and Wenger to go out on a high. I don't think any of those things will happen.

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Let's take a hypothetical scenario and say we get beat 10-0 by Spurs. You think that will not bring change? Or let's take a more realistic possibility of Spurs winning the title.. you think if they win the league, Wenger will have a rock to hide behind? A narrow loss, draw or an unlikely win will only result in him staying longer. If us getting tonked by them means there is a 0.01% extra possibility of him leaving, I am all for that.

Wait what, wishing the Spuds to tonk us?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

I didn't say we were the worst club in football either. This man hasn't got within a sniff a title challenge (let alone an actual title) in how many years? And now we're on the brink of falling behind yet another rival. He's a man with literally total control, a ton of resources and he's taking us backwards. I don't see how he can't be called the worst manager in the game. Who else has wasted what he's wasted and delivered fuck all for so long. Name somebody.

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But that's totally arbitrary as well. By that measure considering city's league position is not that much better than ours and considering the money spent by Guardiola and the fact that they won't win anything this season he must be a far worse manager than Wenger.

That would make Louis Van Gaal the worst manager in football for the season or two before that considering what he spent.

Wenger is unable to take us further of that we know, but your statement is predicated on there being no manager in football who could have spent what he spent and not achieved more and that's just shite and you know it is.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

But that's totally arbitrary as well. By that measure considering city's league position is not that much better than ours and considering the money spent by Guardiola and the fact that they won't win anything this season he must be a far worse manager than Wenger.

That would make Louis Van Gaal the worst manager in football for the season or two before that considering what he spent.

Wenger is unable to take us further of that we know, but your statement is predicated on there being no manager in football who could have spent what he spent and not achieved more and that's just shite and you know it is.

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If Guardiola fucks up for the next 13 years then sure, he'll be on Wenger's level. And van Gaal was rightfully sacked. Thus, once again leaving Wenger as the worst manager in football. Look at his record FFS!

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

If Guardiola fucks up for the next 13 years then sure, he'll be on Wenger's level. And van Gaal was rightfully sacked. Thus, once again leaving Wenger as the worst manager in football. Look at his record FFS!

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But if you're looking at it from comparative spending to achievement his record between 2008 and 2014 has been consistently above average. Is there justifiable frustration that despite whether he spends loads or nothing at all he can't make the push to make us competitive yes, but again whether you're talking about a year or 13 years your contention is based upon no other manager in the game failing to do more than what Wenger has whilst being in the same position and I say again it's nonsense.

It's a fatuous remark.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

But if you're looking at it from comparative spending to achievement his record between 2008 and 2014 has been consistently above average. Is there justifiable frustration that despite whether he spends loads or nothing at all he can't make the push to make us competitive yes, but again whether you're talking about a year or 13 years your contention is based upon no other manager in the game failing to do more than what Wenger has whilst being in the same position and I say again it's nonsense.

It's a fatuous remark.

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His record between 2008 and 2014? No titles, no challenges, no effort of note in the CL? That's HIS record, not some other guy's who might have been in his place. Why do we have to imagine what might have happened? We can see what actually did happen. And he's had plenty of money now and incredibly made things worse. So why do we assume if he had more cash earlier on he'd have done a damn thing to make a difference? He had plenty of cash anyway. Not as much as some but plenty more than most. And he still couldn't beat Leicester City to a title. There have been some truly terrible managers in the PL but they all got the chop. Wenger remains. By a process of elimination he's the worst. And so far nobody has provided a name, other than Guardiola, in his first year in a new league, and van Gaal - sacked. Imagine if van Gaal was still there and then went on fucking up for another half decade. We'd laugh our arses off at the ridiculousness of it all, but we'd still be rubbing our hands in glee as we watched a rival get fucked up by an incompetent. Well the laugh's on us. Literally, other fans are rolling on the floor and praying Wenger stays. Hardly the sign of a good manager, is it? Or even a credible one.

My God, listen to him :doh:

Is it any wonder?

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'You cannot say the weight of one year has the weight of 20,' said Wenger. 'I answered the question of shift for 18 consecutive years, nothing changes in that.

'The priority for us is to finish in the top four. After that, for pride and the continuity of our achievements.

'Yes, we want to fight to be in front of Spurs but first of all what is important is to finish in the top four.'

'If, if, if,' said Wenger. 'We live with the when. It's true that we have to respond to: "If the worst happens what do you do?" Let's make sure the best happens and give everything to make sure we finish in a strong way our season.

'It's one of the few times where Spurs in people's minds are favourites. It looks like that but it doesn't matter too much to me.

'I focus on Arsenal. What happens to Spurs is not for me to comment about. We have big Premier League games and an FA Cup final to prepare. We have to focus on us.'

'We watched him [Dele Alli] many, many times,' he said. 'He played at Milton Keynes which is just down the road.

'They've done well to buy him and give him a chance. They deserve credit for that.

'He has done extremely well and he has developed into complete player, very dangerous, scores goal, absolutely marvellous at his age.'

It will be the last derby at White Hart Lane before the old stadium is demolished to make way for a new one.

'I'm not in a position where the sentiment comes in too much,' said Wenger. 'I'm told I'm playing in 50 London derbies and there are some special ones in there.

'I'm not in a mode today to reflect. Maybe one day I will write a book just about the derbies.

'It's important we're ready for the fight. We have to prepare for a physical game. Usually they are highly committed.'

'We have shown persistence and tenacity and desire to win and keep going,' said Wenger.

'We play for our future. And to continue our run. We know what is needed. On that front it is quite simple. We will not sit back, we try to go forward and win the game.'

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We will not sit back, we try to go forward and win the game.

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At least we can add Alli to the Almost Eleven. That's the last one, I think.