This is how we luckily ended up with Ozil, the baying mob was at the door and Wenger had to act pronto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
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This is how we luckily ended up with Ozil, the baying mob was at the door and Wenger had to act pronto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
yep - if we'd beaten Villa would we have signed Ozil? - what a way to manage a team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maestro
If we'd beaten Villa, I expect things would have turned out almost exactly the same. We played a couple more games, which we played significantly better in and won, before there were any stories about Özil.
Where's my methamphetamine you bastard?Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
:haha: at the idea that Wenger spent £40m on a player because he was booed off in a game we lost
Surely the delay in spuds selling monkey boy played a factor in how late in the window we signed ozil. In fact, did Daniel levy not make some kind of comment in that regard?
AI agree that is nonsense, a convenient theory to support a mostly logical larger argument. That a man who is criticised for refusing to spend and who publicly makes it known he is frugal would go out and spend that amount of money over fan reaction is a stretch too far. He is famously stubborn and has been around long enough to know that a few victories would've stopped the boos. There was no mutiny about to happen with the fans. We'd never have the guts to do it en-masse. A lot of things came together at the right time to buy Ozil, who is the perfect Wenger style player he would always look to buyQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Away from this argument though I am placing huge importance in this weekends game. We can talk about personnel, money and tactics all we want but self belief is absolutely key. This team have to know they can beat Chelsea under Wenger. If we want to stand any chance of competing for the title, that duck has to be broken and the sooner the better. Chelsea will be the team to be beat again this season and unless Wenger figures that one out after all these years, then we can start the season as well as we want but it won't mean much if we can't directly damage our rivals.
Yep. The twat went to the media claiming he was trying to scupper the Ozil (or Benzema or Di Maria, because we didn't know for sure at that point) deal. IIRC there were further stories about him flying into a rage when we got the deal done. He's small time personified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edinburgh Gooner
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...m-8797601.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I would agree with you if we were talking about a manager who regularly spent big money on quality players but the fact Wenger never paid out that kind of money suggests a panic buy to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
:haha: yeh what a crazy idea - a bit like the £28 mill he spent on 5 players in 2 days after the 8-2 Utd defeat - suppose that wasn't panic buying either was it. Must be a coincidence these happened after him being murdered by the press & Atsenal fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Did he panic the year after too when he bought Sanchez? With the new financial deals the money was there so he started spending it :shrug:
No - he hadn't just been humiliated days before he bought Sanchez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
But he hates spending money :unsure:
EDIT: And is too stubborn to listen to anyone, especially the fans.
Unless it suits people's agenda I guess :shrug:
We know he hates spending money - we've had a decade of not spending money ( we did have ) on the quality required to compete - that is why £40 mill on Ozil was so unlike him & therefore smacks of desperation after being booed off at the Emirates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
The £28 mill on 5 players in 2 days after the Utd defeat was gross mismanagement. A chairman with balls would have told him to fuck off & suggested that in future if he didn't strengthen his squad during pre-season which resulted in 8-2 defeats then he would be out of a job. Even you surely have to agree this was desperation.
Even worse than this unbelievable fuck up was the fact he has not learnt from this. Still fucks about every summer, waiting for these players to fall into his lap, playing childish games with the selling club over a few million quid. Even let slip that we missed out on Hazard by " a few million" - another one Arsene, he seems to boast about the players his missed out on.
So why did he continue to spend money the following year? :shrug:
Because he realised that it makes us better by spending money but now he's decided not to spend this year because he thinks he's amazing again now and because we won two cups but he's still shit because he's shit and a cunt.
:lol:
...not sure if serious :unsure:
He's also French and earns 8 million a year
His spent £11 mill this year on a goalkeeper - do you think that's enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I'm wondering if our best bet long term is to get beaten by West Ham on the opening day - we'll have Benzema, Bale & Messi by the following Wednesday.
That's actually succinctly done. Letters read this and stop replying in AFC debate. Would save us all a few yawns.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
In all seriousness, I don't think he can win us the league again.
I have no issue with the team per say. I think he's built good enough teams in the last 10 years that were capable of winning the league. I just don't think he reacts during games, or during transfer windows in a decisive way. He's always opted (under, I believe, idealistic tendencies) to trust in his players, expecting them to do the work for him.
Couple that with his failure most years to target the obvious areas of weakness in the squad, and you have the reason why we haven't won the thing.
Money obviously plays its part, but we never really needed massive amounts to bolster what were good teams anyway...we just needed investment to sustain our challenge and add depth to areas of the squad that needed it.
We can't win it again with Wenger as he'll do the same again. I'd love to be proved wrong, but history says not.....
In any case. We have a great team this year....one of the best I've seen for ages, so reason to be cheerful. Hopefully we'll have a good year, and really push on....
He loses points for neglecting to mention he's FrenchQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn
What do you think the chances of Arsenal FC winning the league now ?
Its the same as what it was in July.
No chance.
I hope I am wrong.
We wont win the league this season. We will finish 3rd quite comfortably.
3rd? Too much ambition little bit, 4th only one worth winning (extra income of qualifier march) :trophy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
1st? No.
IMO any of the top 4 from last season have a chance.
It's way too early to conclude anything about how this season will pan out, only City are looking any good and things change very quickly.
I think we'll be top 3, if we're in the mix with 10 games to go we've got a chance.
We have no chance at all unless our closest rivals have a relatively poor season. It will be up to them, not us, whether we can compete.
If Utd get their act together they'll get more points than we do in the top 4 match-ups and we'll throw away points when we play them, as usual. So it will be a close race with them.
If the chavs or gypos muster average seasons by their standards they'll be beyond reach by Christmas. If they have below average seasons and we are scrapping to qualify for the top 4 we'll do okay up until the point qualification is secured and then we'll collapse. If the race for qualification goes to the last few games we might get closer to the chavs than we did last year. But if Liverpool and the spuds are fucking up behind us and we secure 4th spot fairly early then we'll settle for that and finish a good distance behind our rivals.
Everything could change if one of our strikers or press-ganged strikers can find form over a protracted stretch, like RvC did in his final season with us. That's a possibility for Alexis, he'll keep trying but it will be down to Wenger and how he sets out the teams and tactics. Alexis did amazingly well last year, it will be easier for him in some respects this year but also tougher by the fact opposition managers and defenders will know what to expect.
No realistic chance of Giroud or Walcott stepping up, Walcott probably won't get enough games anyway. Welbeck will probably play a bit part too so don't expect the goals to come from him.
If Coquelin gets injured then all bets are off and we'll have a hell of a scrap on our hands to get the 4th place trophy.
Even without signing any more players it's the best squad we've had for a long time. We really should be challenging for the league this year, but I just don't think Wenger has it in him to get the best out of his players over the course of a whole season. My view hasn't changed over the last couple of years, we won't win it again with him in charge.
Our chances of winning the league are precisely zero, even when we have had the chance when other teams have been poor we've blown it, this season Man City are looking good and Chelsea will no doubt be back in the reckoning soon enough, we don't have enough quality to match them, not in terms of goalscoring threats or even defensive strength IMO.
In addition we don't have a manager tactically good or motivational enough to get that bit extra out of the squad.
I think we do have enough quality to match them, in most cases. Obviously we have an issue in a couple of key areas and these will certainly come home to roost as they season develops. But there's enough quality and cover elsewhere to give anyone a run for their money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
But as you say, the manager. A massive handicap we have to carry into every game. Over 38 games it's unlikely an impediment that significant can be overcome on enough occasions to get the points required to win a title. All the idiot had to do was dig in that cash mountain and bring in another couple of players, but as the last 10 years show Wenger knows best.
Can we win the league this season? No. That will not happen. The manager is one reason and an extension of that is of course the personnel we have in the squad. Too many players still learning roles, playing out of position leaving it too unbalanced to be used effectively. There is a reason why this same squad consistently fail to beat the better teams in the league and Europe and there is not a single sign that has changed. What we will continue to do is beat the lesser teams, which will be enough to position us in the top four. We just don't have the tools to achieve anything more than that and that is a damning indictment of how poorly Wenger has chosen the players with so much resources available to him. At least 3/4 players in our 'best' first eleven have to changed.
From what I've seen of us so far this season we will be scrapping for top 4, we're miles away from looking like a title challenger and unrecognisable from the team that finished last season so strongly. We look a bit of a mess TBH. I personally don't think we will even come close to winning a title again under Wenger, he builds unbalanced squads, lots of guile not enough guts. This season will be a re-run of previous seasons, why should it be any different? He's not addressed any of the problem areas in the team.
No. He's unelectable. We should appoint Liz Kendall instead.
Would you say the same from what you've seen of Chelsea so far this season?Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
If not, why not?
I don't know what world you live in but it should be obvious why not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
What does the question have to do with Chelsea? and can you kindly refrain from mentioning them in everyone of your posts. You must be that person Mourinho says is obsessed with Chelsea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Anyone want to try answering the question?
Yes, but Chelsea are Champions, they know how to win titles. Chelsea have their own problems this season but they still strengthened what was an already very strong squad, a title winning squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Ok, but you said 'from what you've seen so far this season'.
If that's what you're judging us on than judge other teams in the same way. And on that basis City are champions elect, us and Chelsea are nowhere.
Past history is relevant of course but our past history shows we're capable of much better than we've seen so far this season, as are Chelsea.