Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

i think the standard for a high quality striker is around 14-15%+, which stands when you check the guys across the main leagues. so as a general rule of thumb, i wouldn't discard a striker who has those sort of stats for a fews seasons because he would be scoring goals - whether from 20 or 2 yards, and that is all that matters.

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I think when those goals are scored is also important to be honest as is his conversion rate when you really need a goal.

A player could score a large amount of his goals when his team is winning comfortably but fail to convert when it matters most, pressure situations often affect how a player performs.

The 3rd goal in a comfortable win or 4 goals in a game against a lowly team who got thrashed doesn't mean as much a spread of goals in a few 1-0 wins, I think context is always needed in some form, you couldn't sign someone based on stats without watching them repeatedly and seeing how they perform.

which is why i stated that the widely recognised guys usually have a conversion rate of around 15%, so anything at that or above demonstrates quality.

no-one signs strikers based on stats, and seeing as we're on a forum passing relatively quick judgements, rather than putting forward proposals to actually sign a striker, then it works. i can't think of a high scoring striker that purely relies on scoring +1 for a high profile club.

Stats. :haha:

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

which is why i stated that the widely recognised guys usually have a conversion rate of around 15%, so anything at that or above demonstrates quality.

no-one signs strikers based on stats, and seeing as we're on a forum passing relatively quick judgements, rather than putting forward proposals to actually sign a striker, then it works. i can't think of a high scoring striker that purely relies on scoring +1 for a high profile club.

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I liken stats to watching a clip of a player on Youtube, a player can look great on Youtube as it only shows his best efforts/aspects that's not always the reality though.

Whilst I accept a 15% scoring rate is decent, I would rather get a player with a 15% scoring rate who scores from all areas than one with a 15% scoring rate that scores most of his from 5-10 yards because the latter is probably missing a lot more of those bread and butter chances which he should be putting away, in big games it's taking your good chances when they arrive that makes the difference.

Its intriguing trying to compare fooball players to basketball pros. Trying to hit a 15inch hoop from 15ft away these guys have a conversion ratio of 60-80%, I guess, while players cant regularly hit a 10ft by 20ft rectangle from the same distance. The reality is that Basketball players spend most of their training practising shots at the basket while footballers probably spend less than 10%.

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

I liken stats to watching a clip of a player on Youtube, a player can look great on Youtube as it only shows his best efforts/aspects that's not always the reality though.

Whilst I accept a 15% scoring rate is decent, I would rather get a player with a 15% scoring rate who scores from all areas than one with a 15% scoring rate that scores most of his from 5-10 yards because the latter is probably missing a lot more of those bread and butter chances which he should be putting away, in big games it's taking your good chances when they arrive that makes the difference.

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i would say that scoring from 5-10 is bread and butter, rather than anything further out. strikers should be aiming to get on the end of crosses/through balls which would lead to them being in the box.

let's take gomez for example. your 'perception' was that he scores close up and misses a lot, which may even be true. yet, he scores an absolute stack load of goals so the likelihood is, when it comes to big games he'll be scoring in those too.

stat's aren't the be and end all for making a final judgement but they do offer an insight into a players ability. if they didn't, then every manager you could think of, would not rely on them at all.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

i would say that scoring from 5-10 is bread and butter, rather than anything further out. strikers should be aiming to get on the end of crosses/through balls which would lead to them being in the box.

let's take gomez for example. your 'perception' was that he scores close up and misses a lot, which may even be true. yet, he scores an absolute stack load of goals so the likelihood is, when it comes to big games he'll be scoring in those too.

stat's aren't the be and end all for making a final judgement but they do offer an insight into a players ability. if they didn't, then every manager you could think of, would not rely on them at all.

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You should check out Moneyball. A very good movie about Billy Beane whose influenced by Wenger’s philosophy.

i did last year, pretty decent film tbh.

I really enjoyed it.

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Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over

Overdrawn. . .going by the state of your reply!

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Your face is overdrawn