Yeah he's a quality striker, he's top drawer not just a finisher.Originally Posted by I_Killed_Kenny
Yeah he's a quality striker, he's top drawer not just a finisher.
andy carroll was option 'K' it seems.
I'm only judging him from the games I've seen where his chances have been largely close range and he seems to have missed a lot, I don't watch the Bundesligue of course. He's a clumsy type of striker who isn't easy on the eye for that reason.
Lewandowski seems much more graceful in his movement and technique.
I prefer to think of it as Plan F. As in we were totally f......
In addition a number of RVP's goals are hard chances and great finishes, few of Giroud's are, different class of striker.
The conversion rate stat is very misleading without seeing the player in the flesh because there's no context to the chances. If 95% of chances are within 8 yards it's hardly the same as if they're outside the box or chances that a player creates himself.
A player can appear better when all of his chances are pretty much put on a plate when compared to a striker who creates a large amount himself or scores a large proportion from outside the box.
Last edited by Özim; 26-04-2013 at 10:13 AM.
of course it's misleading but the other day you were quite content to use that stat, without context, for discounting giroud as being anywhere near effective.
it doesn't really matter how a striker scores - as long as he does, regularly.
Overdrawn. . .going by the state of your reply!
Not really no, I've seen Giroud play as has everyone here...it's a combination of stats and his performances. In that sense it has context.
The point was we knew he wasn't that great on the pitch, the stats just confirmed his finishing isn't all that good (what we already knew).
I agree that conversion ratios are utterly misleading because. It is entirely contextual. without stats i would venture to guess that Messi`s ratio is probably about 1 in 3. and he is the best available, Same goes for CR7. The important thing about a striker is that he is not found wanted in crucial games and does not constantly miss sitters. Lewandowski`s first goal was the same as the one Giroud missed against Everton. The difference being that one went in the other was as good as a clearance for the defence. I recall Vieira for us. He was not a striker but in the few times he ventured up front he NEVER missed. I might be misty eyed but I cannot recall a PV4 clanger. Same with Henry and Wright. They missed loads but would win you at least 30 points in a season with their crucial goals that change games. If Giroud was of the calibre required we would be at least 15 points better off IMO.
i think the standard for a high quality striker is around 14-15%+, which stands when you check the guys across the main leagues. so as a general rule of thumb, i wouldn't discard a striker who has those sort of stats for a fews seasons because he would be scoring goals - whether from 20 or 2 yards, and that is all that matters.
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