Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Martial deal will eventually cost £58mill, supposedly.

We're watching the end of football here. It can't sustain this craziness. Sterling £50mill, a 19 year old kid at least £36mill. Both potentially decent players but when you consider these big fees used to be reserved for the likes of Zidane. What would the fee be in Messi was ever sold? Quarter of a billion? For one player? They were talking £150mill for Neymar if that had gone through. All the signs are of mega rich pigs having one last feast before they move on to the next harvest.

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With the American and Asian markets growing, then the money will continue to swill around for a while yet. Then add in the fact that the online market hasn't been touched at all. They'll scrap this 3pm ban sooner rather than later, so Sky/BT and the clubs can charge premium prices to watch online or TV. They can pitch in all kinds of club shop special offers and home delivery meal deals around that to make the payoff absolutely huge against very small overheads. And of course FFP has been neutered so the debts can rack up once more, so there isn't really a need to stop adding zeros to transfers every season when it isn't real money paying it back off anyway.

Dont think United come under the doping scenario really. They earn all their money over the years. So are able to splash a lot of earned cash.

All this is the champions league fault.Too much money and everyone wants to play in it so all the best players move to those teams. The only way other teams can compete is via mega rich benefactors.

The champions league should be champions only or even extend it to champions and cup winners. That would open up the cup to more teams. Even out prize money. Or even get prize in reverse order like nfl where worst team gets first choice. In football worst team could get most money to even up the league.

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Originally Posted by Bumble

Dont think United come under the doping scenario really. They earn all their money over the years. So are able to splash a lot of earned cash.

All this is the champions league fault.Too much money and everyone wants to play in it so all the best players move to those teams. The only way other teams can compete is via mega rich benefactors.

The champions league should be champions only or even extend it to champions and cup winners. That would open up the cup to more teams. Even out prize money. Or even get prize in reverse order like nfl where worst team gets first choice. In football worst team could get most money to even up the league.

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All Man Utds spending is borrowed money. When you're already a billion in debt, what's another 200m amongst friends?

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Originally Posted by Kano

With the American and Asian markets growing, then the money will continue to swill around for a while yet. Then add in the fact that the online market hasn't been touched at all. They'll scrap this 3pm ban sooner rather than later, so Sky/BT and the clubs can charge premium prices to watch online or TV. They can pitch in all kinds of club shop special offers and home delivery meal deals around that to make the payoff absolutely huge against very small overheads. And of course FFP has been neutered so the debts can rack up once more, so there isn't really a need to stop adding zeros to transfers every season when it isn't real money paying it back off anyway.

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Their model of excess by it's very nature can't go on for ever, same deal with the global debt pyramid and they are linked - mathematically it must collapse and the bigger it inflates the more catastrophic the collapse. It's not just that, kids can't even kick a ball on the streets any more. You have fucking signs up everywhere, no ball games. Football is dying from the roots through to the highest branches. Football was a community thing, now it is a commercial thing. It's price has rocketed, it's value and values are gone. I just hope the people remember that well fed pigs are good for butchering.

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Originally Posted by Bumble

Dont think United come under the doping scenario really. They earn all their money over the years. So are able to splash a lot of earned cash.

All this is the champions league fault.Too much money and everyone wants to play in it so all the best players move to those teams. The only way other teams can compete is via mega rich benefactors.

The champions league should be champions only or even extend it to champions and cup winners. That would open up the cup to more teams. Even out prize money. Or even get prize in reverse order like nfl where worst team gets first choice. In football worst team could get most money to even up the league.

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A big chunk of the money they earn gets ploughed back into paying off the Glazier's dodgy debts. The chavs grow their own, Utd bums dope on the never never.

The money thrown around in football is disgusting but we all participate. It wouldn't be possible without the fans watching and happy to pay.

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Originally Posted by Syn

If there was a top striker available I'm guessing Man Utd would've put in a £94m bid in by now. They only had Rooney as a striker and have only ended up getting this 19 year old kid with very few career goals to his name.

If there's no-one on Sanchez's level that is gettable then I dont mind the club not buying a striker. Just have to hope that Sanchez be a top class striker in a CF role, and Walcott, Giroud and Welbeck can chip in. But not getting a defensive midfielder looks a bad decision. Surely there were a few of them on the move. Even Wanyama is available now. Coquelin needs help in the middle.

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A world class striker is not suddenly gonna present himself in 6 months, especially since a big signing to the club means hanging around Barca/Real waiting for their rejects and castoffs.

We gotta do what United have and what a young Wenger would have and take a risk. Overpay for an up-and-comer who is about to explode.

£24m, Berahino. Job done.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

The money thrown around in football is disgusting but we all participate. It wouldn't be possible without the fans watching and happy to pay.

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There is participation - which is what we do and have always done as people seeking an escape from the bullshit of weekly life and then there is manipulation, which is what the powers that be have sculpted into an art over ther past thirty years or so, starting with the Thatcher/Reagan axis. We all participate in the monstrosity of modern capitalism too because you have no other choice. Which is exactly what they've done to our sport. Left between a choice of trying to find enjoying in the essence of what that sport still gives you whilst trying to swallow the endless stream of bitter pills that increase year on year.

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Originally Posted by Kano

There is participation - which is what we do and have always done as people seeking an escape from the bullshit of weekly life and then there is manipulation, which is what the powers that be have sculpted into an art over ther past thirty years or so, starting with the Thatcher/Reagan axis. We all participate in the monstrosity of modern capitalism too because you have no other choice. Which is exactly what they've done to our sport. Left between a choice of trying to find enjoying in the essence of what that sport still gives you whilst trying to swallow the endless stream of bitter pills that increase year on year.

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I get what your saying but it's just football. You can switch it off if it's that unbearable. It's not like the gas and electricity companies taking the absolute piss or TFL and the rail companies.

I'm not that bothered by what other clubs spend. That's not the insult to injury.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

In many ways you can understand Wenger not wanting to be part of this. In the end he's 100% correct about the transfer market and all the doping going on in the game (financial doping, not the Real Madrid chemical type). It would be glorious and a real achievement if we really could win a title without busting 9 figures in a buying spree but unfortunately that is what the game is these days. The pigs have total control and so the inflation is out of control, same MO as every other market they descend on to pick to the bone.

But say we do persist with a sane approach to expenditure, and people might point at Ozil and Alexis and try to pretend we're part of the big spender club now, but even it out over a decade and we've probably spent less than QPR. If we do persist then it makes it all the more urgent for Wenger to kick that stubbornness into touch and start getting the best out of the players we do have. No more of this shit forcing his favourites into the team, time to learn a bit about rotation, time to pay attention to form, time to approach each game as a different set of challenges. Enough with the ridiculous notion we can play some beautiful vision of football in the middle of what has become a sporting desert. Or go and let somebody else do it.

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Its not sane, its insane to keep £200m in the bank in a world where Juvenus made €100m for their CL run to the final, United sign a £700m Adidas deal, 4 teams are fighting for 5 CL spots and you have a flawed squad.

It is INSANE, in a world where 2 years ago you could get a Di Maria calibre player for £30m then a year later he costs £59m. That money in the bank is turning to shit because football inflation is at a rate of naughts. One year £32m gets you Sanchez, next year it cant get you Sterling. Beginning of the summer £32m gets Benteke, now it cant get you a French 19 year old. IT IS INSANE to keep money in the bank and not in player capital. Buy 30 and loan them out if you have to, but in the bank is insane.

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Originally Posted by Kano

There is participation - which is what we do and have always done as people seeking an escape from the bullshit of weekly life and then there is manipulation, which is what the powers that be have sculpted into an art over ther past thirty years or so, starting with the Thatcher/Reagan axis. We all participate in the monstrosity of modern capitalism too because you have no other choice. Which is exactly what they've done to our sport. Left between a choice of trying to find enjoying in the essence of what that sport still gives you whilst trying to swallow the endless stream of bitter pills that increase year on year.

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Even with all it's problems, I much preferred the athletics this week to any football match that was going on. That will change as more money enters that sport too, but for now there are still moments that cut through the bullshit and rise to the top. Bolt beating the druggie. Priceless.

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Originally Posted by BOBN

Its not sane, its insane to keep £200m in the bank in a world where Juvenus made €100m for their CL run to the final, United sign a £700m Adidas deal, 4 teams are fighting for 5 CL spots and you have a flawed squad.

It is INSANE, in a world where 2 years ago you could get a Di Maria calibre player for £30m then a year later he costs £59m. That money in the bank is turning to shit because football inflation is at a rate of naughts. One year £32m gets you Sanchez, next year it cant get you Sterling. Beginning of the summer £32m gets Benteke, now it cant get you a French 19 year old. IT IS INSANE to keep money in the bank and not in player capital. Buy 30 and loan them out if you have to, but in the bank is insane.

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That's what I'm saying is insane, the inflation. I don't agree with the club sitting on cash at all. It's the worst of all outcomes, charge the biggest prices and then sit on the cash. Agreed. By sane approach I don't mean spend nothing. £26mill invested in Vidal would have been a great deal. On the other hand the cash sitting in bank isn't insane if there is no intention to invest it in the football. If it is earmarked for something else, in fact if it is driving up the share price then it's a big win for the usual suspects.

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Originally Posted by Bumble

Dont think United come under the doping scenario really. They earn all their money over the years. So are able to splash a lot of earned cash.

All this is the champions league fault.Too much money and everyone wants to play in it so all the best players move to those teams. The only way other teams can compete is via mega rich benefactors.

The champions league should be champions only or even extend it to champions and cup winners. That would open up the cup to more teams. Even out prize money. Or even get prize in reverse order like nfl where worst team gets first choice. In football worst team could get most money to even up the league.

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So teams like QPR, the biggest criminals and distorters of the market because they overpay for average players rather than top talent, and who were slapped with an FFP fine for blatant rule-breaking, would get rewarded with the most money for their failure.

You are typing for the sake of typing.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I get what your saying but it's just football. You can switch it off if it's that unbearable. It's not like the gas and electricity companies taking the absolute piss or TFL and the rail companies.

I'm not that bothered by what other clubs spend. That's not the insult to injury.

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But isn't that the point of sport? It is supposed to be our escape from the companies that rip us off and drain our wallets and the pressures of everyday life. The essence of what sport means to us as people is why us bunch of losers are on here every day talking shit. It isn't just football. It means far more than that in the larger framework of our physiological make-up. We're humans with imaginations, rather than machines performing automated functions. Some people scratch that itch through films. Others through music. Or train spotting. Or collecting Nazi memorabilia. Whatever suits. We can't function by merely grinding through the gears of everyday life. We're competitive beasts at heart and need to find ways to demonstrate that outside of crushing individuals and families in the race to make as much money as possible. For the time being I have learnt to adapt to the bastardisation of our game but just saying 'switch off' is a weak-minded argument. It's an obstruction of free speech that creates a lob-sided argument where everyone agrees, the worst kind of level-headed utopia imaginable. Otherwise we may as well not have an opinion at all if the best possible option is to walk away. If you are going to complain then you need to hear and understand the complaints of others.

Where are all the playa?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Even with all it's problems, I much preferred the athletics this week to any football match that was going on. That will change as more money enters that sport too, but for now there are still moments that cut through the bullshit and rise to the top. Bolt beating the druggie. Priceless.

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That's why I've found increasing solace in tennis over the past few years. They earn insane money for winning tournaments but at the end of the day, it comes down to two individuals, similar to athletics, to rely on their raw skills to win. Sure the best athletes can get in bette trainers, dieticians etc but there are limits to how far that takes you compared to football when building a squad of the best distorts the competition. Athletics is still a sport people take up for passion first above all else because only the elite earn really good money from it. The ironically good thing that drugs have done is probably ensure that financial investment into the sport has slowed right down.

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Originally Posted by I am invisible

Januzaj to Dortmund on loan though...

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My bad, it was januzaj to Dortmund, someone else tweeted about Hernandez in the same thread.

Januzaj to BVB
Reus to RM
Benz to us


So.... It's on!

De Gea move has collapsed, the papers didn't arrive in time apparently (Spanish window for players in closed at 11pm our time).

What a farce. :haha:

FFS :doh:

Would laugh if he leaves on a free now

Oh dear. :haha:

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

De Gea move has collapsed, the papers didn't arrive in time apparently (Spanish window for players in closed at 11pm our time).

What a farce. :haha:

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Bet you they get a dispensation of some sort. Certain people won't be keen to see their cut go south.

If not though, van Genius has laid the ground for some interesting times ahead. Because surely De Gea is gone in January.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Bet you they get a dispensation of some sort. Certain people won't be keen to see their cut go south.

If not though, van Genius has laid the ground for some interesting times ahead. Because surely De Gea is gone in January.

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Why pay £25m when you can get him for free in 6months?

Wonder if the De Gea cash was financing part of the Martial deal?

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Originally Posted by Kano

But isn't that the point of sport? It is supposed to be our escape from the companies that rip us off and drain our wallets and the pressures of everyday life. The essence of what sport means to us as people is why us bunch of losers are on here every day talking shit. It isn't just football. It means far more than that in the larger framework of our physiological make-up. We're humans with imaginations, rather than machines performing automated functions. Some people scratch that itch through films. Others through music. Or train spotting. Or collecting Nazi memorabilia. Whatever suits. We can't function by merely grinding through the gears of everyday life. We're competitive beasts at heart and need to find ways to demonstrate that outside of crushing individuals and families in the race to make as much money as possible. For the time being I have learnt to adapt to the bastardisation of our game but just saying 'switch off' is a weak-minded argument. It's an obstruction of free speech that creates a lob-sided argument where everyone agrees, the worst kind of level-headed utopia imaginable. Otherwise we may as well not have an opinion at all if the best possible option is to walk away. If you are going to complain then you need to hear and understand the complaints of others.

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I hear the complaints but I think the comparisons are over the top. I won't die without football and if the corporations want to keep on raising prices, they can have it. The only way it works is if people think they're forced to pay and I don't see why because this is only entertainment. I can get my kicks through, music, film, TV, xbox, books, whatever. Heck, if the corporate side of the game gets too much there are lower leagues to watch if the love for football runs that deep. Easier said then done but it's the truth.

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Originally Posted by Munchies

Why pay £25m when you can get him for free in 6months?

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Exactly. Now they're stuck with someone who they've already frozen out, bye bye 25m and bye bye De Gea.

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Originally Posted by Munchies

Why pay £25m when you can get him for free in 6months?

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It's a year before his contract is up.

I'd also love to know how in this day and age the "documents" didn't arrive in time. :lol:

Van Gaal is more entertaining than Moyes. He's a monumental bellend. This is a huge fuck up.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I hear the complaints but I think the comparisons are over the top. I won't die without football and if the corporations want to keep on raising prices, they can have it. The only way it works is if people think they're forced to pay and I don't see why because this is only entertainment. I can get my kicks through, music, film, TV, xbox, books, whatever. Heck, if the corporate side of the game gets too much there are lower leagues to watch if the love for football runs that deep. Easier said then done but it's the truth.

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That's too narrow an argument to ever work. People can't just walk away from their passion, their escape at the drop of a hat. That doesn't work. That's why TV and the clubs have been able to manipulate themselves into the current position they have. Taking advantage of people's emotions and willingness to sacrifice in order to escape. You are also judging everyone else by your own standards, forgetting that the people who sacrifice so much to go to home and away games do so for far more than just their love of watching football at any level. You may be able to get your kicks elsewhere but what about those who can't, where do they go? It's a safe argument to lob around on the Internet because everything begins and ends with the opening/closing of a browser. It can't exist in the real world because the emotional and psychological entanglement associated with those decisions are far more complicated.

Still time to sell Ox to Gala....get that money rolling in...

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Originally Posted by Injury Time

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Some mug is still here expecting to hear news of some Arsenal business :haha:

There's always one.

Something that fails ignominiously to satisfy expectations; an anti-climax, a disappointment

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Originally Posted by Syn

Van Gaal is more entertaining than Moyes. He's a monumental bellend. This is a huge fuck up.

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This on the day where the papers are highlighting the fact his record after 50 games is the same as Moyes'

The genius has done good.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

It's a year before his contract is up.

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£10m in Jan?

Still a big hit

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Some mug is still here expecting to hear news of some Arsenal business :haha:

There's always one.

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I don't have Sky where else would I be!?

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Originally Posted by Injury Time

Still time to sell Ox to Gala....get that money rolling in...

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...no there isn't.

@skysports_bryan
David De Gea - #mufc waiting for confirmation either way but adamant they have proof all their paperwork submitted to FIFA on time. #SSNHQ

I guess we could finally see that old adage "let him rot in the reserves" come to fruition with De Gea.

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Originally Posted by Douglas Reynholm

...no there isn't.

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What!? Wenger out!