Fergie to retire!

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Of course they can because they're bigger more established organisation. That's how it works with big businesses anyway. If Moyes fails badly there will be a host of top quality managers lining up to takeover. Man Utd are a huge brand and have the rep. They'll still attract players regardless of Moyes because they're an institution. You can't say the same about us. Wenger's rep and past is what attracts most players to join us because we're nowhere near as big. We've also just moved to a new stadium, paying off the debt, heavily dependent on sponsorship money increasing, attendance and the prestige of CL football. We slip up with our management at this point and it could be curtains. It would be hard for us to bounce back and you can see already how it's hard for to attract players now since we haven't won anything in years. Imagine if we'd appoint Moyes and he's struggling to make the top 4. I shouldn't have to explain why Moyes is major risk.

Also, Laudrop has beaten us at home and Chelsea in the league cup.

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and is on course to finish 14 points below everton :partytime:

And yet they will play in Europe next season whilst Moyes failed yet again.

Anyway Mancs :haha:

Moyes :haha:

City or Chelsea for the title tbh

Cheeky bid for Wazza?

United may have the reputation but so did Liverpool and look where they are

Ferguson left because he knew that this is a club in decline, there isn't the money there to replace their ageing stars and their over-rated dross and it was clear that they smashed every piggy bank in Old Trafford to fuck to get the cash together to buy Van Persie. Look at their wage bill as well it must be as bloated as Elvis Presley's corpse when they found it....and it's not like anyone decent is being produced by their youth academy.
A team that had to bring Scholes out of retirement, a midfield of Carrick and Cleverley; it must have taken every ounce of willpower from Ferguson to win them the title this season even with Van Persie banging in goals right, left and centre.

Players and coaches want silverware. Finishing 6th doesn't mean much. A new club like Swansea finishing 9th and winning a cup is pretty impressive.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Players and coaches want silverware. Finishing 6th doesn't mean much. A new club like Swansea finishing 9th and winning a cup is pretty impressive.

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true, but finishing above liverpool for two years in a row, after spending 80P and they have spent millions, is fucking impressive. finishing 6th on paper doesnt look much, but what he has done with everton has been a miracle and deserves credit for it.

the debate isnt about what fans and coaches want, its about the managers credentials.

finishing high in the premier league is much harder than winning a cup.

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

the debate isnt about what fans and coaches want, its about the managers credentials.

finishing high in the premier league is much harder than winning a cup.

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Look at Evertons squad. Millions spent on it. Swansea squad, around 20p.

Swansea have a trophy and will play in Europe. Everton showed no improvement from last season and Everton fans not so long ago were calling for Moyes to fuck off

It's a bit of a pointless comparison given Moyes has been there a million years, whereas this is only Laudrup's first season in this country.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

United may have the reputation but so did Liverpool and look where they are

Ferguson left because he knew that this is a club in decline, there isn't the money there to replace their ageing stars and their over-rated dross and it was clear that they smashed every piggy bank in Old Trafford to fuck to get the cash together to buy Van Persie. Look at their wage bill as well it must be as bloated as Elvis Presley's corpse when they found it....and it's not like anyone decent is being produced by their youth academy.
A team that had to bring Scholes out of retirement, a midfield of Carrick and Cleverley; it must have taken every ounce of willpower from Ferguson to win them the title this season even with Van Persie banging in goals right, left and centre.

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True indeed but Liverpool rolled the dice far too many times and Rafa left them in terrible shape. They took on Hodgson which was a bad move; it's similar to what United are doing now and then they took on King Kenny and gave him access to their piggybank. Huge mistake. Now Rodgers is struggling and having to trying to work with kids.

United have dominated the Prem for years now and I can't see them falling apart like Liverpool unless they fall on some real hard times financially. It's not impossible though and Fergie done a great job to win the league with that team.

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

the debate isnt about what fans and coaches want, its about the managers credentials.

finishing high in the premier league is much harder than winning a cup.

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Do you expect Swansea to finish higher than Everton when they've only just started life in the Prem? They're a newly promoted team. The debate is about credentials and if you read around you'll hear people say that Moyes shouldn't be the boss of Man Utd because of his lack of credentials. He'll be tested and we'll soon find out.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Do you expect Swansea to finish higher than Everton when they've only just started life in the Prem? They're a newly promoted team. The debate is about credentials and if you read around you'll hear people say that Moyes shouldn't be the boss of Man Utd because of his lack of credentials. He'll be tested and we'll soon find out.

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:lol: but i thought their managers better? surely he can help them finish higher in the league if thats the case? nice backtrack. 'swansea havent finished higher because its their second year in the premiership..' . lets not act like they're a wigan or a reading, they are a well run club with great potential.

14 points :lol:

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Originally Posted by Cripps

Look at Evertons squad. Millions spent on it. Swansea squad, around 20p.

Swansea have a trophy and will play in Europe. Everton showed no improvement from last season and Everton fans not so long ago were calling for Moyes to fuck off

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:haha:

'no improvement from last season'

last season:
38 games: 56 points
this season
36 games: 60 points

2 days ago you said swansea were miles better and had improved because they had scored 2 more goals than they had last season. well everton have 4 more points than they had last season with 2 games left. but let me guess, now it doesnt count right?

Everton finished outside of the qualification places for Europe last season. Likewise this.

I'd say that's no improvement.

Swansea, mid table in their first season in the PL. decent effort. Qualified for Europe and won a trophy in their 2nd. I'd say that's improvement.

Laudrup has done in his first season wha Moyes has tried but failed to do in 10.

It's no contest. If finishing 7th is sign of success for you, then so be it

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

:lol: but i thought their managers better? surely he can help them finish higher in the league if thats the case? nice backtrack. 'swansea havent finished higher because its their second year in the premiership..' . lets not act like they're a wigan or a reading, they are a well run club with great potential.

14 points :lol:

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Back track....you need a backhand. :doh:

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Originally Posted by Cripps

Everton finished outside of the qualification places for Europe last season. Likewise this.

I'd say that's no improvement.

Swansea, mid table in their first season in the PL. decent effort. Qualified for Europe and won a trophy in their 2nd. I'd say that's improvement.

Laudrup has done in his first season wha Moyes has tried but failed to do in 10.

It's no contest. If finishing 7th is sign of success for you, then so be it

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oh ok. so it wasnt an improvement but it is an improvement if you look at the stats but it isnt an improvement according to your criteria. ok :wacko:


you know how you said swansea improved because they had scored 2 more goals than last season. well you wouldnt believe this, guess how many more goals everton have scored compared to last season?

but remember, when its everton, they havent improved right?

thank you and goodnight.

I have no idea what you're talking about now.

Bottom line.

Laudrup has won a trophy at an inferior club in his first season. Moyes failed for 10 years.

Argue that

sure. the reason swansea are inferior to everton is because of moyes.

14 points.

argue that

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

sure. the reason swansea are inferior to everton is because of moyes.

14 points.

argue that

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Well no. Everton were a big club before Moyes came along. They even managed to win a trophy in the 10 years previous to Moyes coming. In the 10 years he's been there? Not a thing.

And I see you couldn't argue the trophy case. End of discussion.

:ilt:

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Originally Posted by GB.

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http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...m_leag_976.gif

:wacko:

Is that a close-up of his nose?

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Originally Posted by Cripps

Well no. Everton were a big club before Moyes came along. They even managed to win a trophy in the 10 years previous to Moyes coming. In the 10 years he's been there? Not a thing.

And I see you couldn't argue the trophy case. End of discussion.

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:lol: big club?

everton season finishes prior to moyes:

16th
13th
14th
17th
15th
6th
15th
17th
13th

whats that, the equivalent of someone like fulham nowadays? are fulham a big club as well? :lol:

trophy argument? ive owned you on that several times. premier league finishes are more important

if swansea get relegated you think they'll be happy with a tin pot? you think birmingham fans are jumping with joy? oh.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Is that a close-up of his nose?

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:d

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

:lol: big club?

everton season finishes prior to moyes:

16th
13th
14th
17th
15th
6th
15th
17th
13th

whats that, the equivalent of someone like fulham nowadays? are fulham a big club as well? :lol:

trophy argument? ive owned you on that several times. premier league finishes are more important

if swansea get relegated you think they'll be happy with a tin pot? you think birmingham fans are jumping with joy? oh.

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Then why are you on Wengers case all the time?

Game set and match I say

Was a close one admittedly but I come away with a 6-0 6-0 6-0 win

oh the wenger comparison.

you see i answered that last week:

'and i dont get this comparison between me bashing wenger for not delivering trophies and then apparently contradicting myself by wanting moyes here. lets get one thing straight, we speak of them in different context; at everton, no-one expects moyes to deliver trophies every year but at arsenal its completely different because we expect trophies and something to show at the end of every season. whilst finishing 5th is good for everton, finishing 4th is bad for us. you can only compare the two if moyes had the resources wenger has had but he hasnt, he's had less than most managers in the league.

we are an elite club playing in the champions league, underperforming because of self inflicted wounds. there is no indication of that at everton, there is no loony manager making horrendous decisions, no manager who makes tactical howlers, no self inflicted wounds. im not sure how much economic background you have but to put it in blatant terms, everton are busting gut and managing to perform on the production frontier even though they shouldnt be e.g. they are over-performing, while we are underutilising resources and performing inside the frontier. everton can push a gut to try and take another step up but it will never happen; their gate receipts, stadium, lack of commercials wont allow it. its different here because we have all of that in place so if moyes came here, i think he'd do better with the resources available.'

so scrap the 6-0 6-0 6-0, i think i just finished you with the people's elbow.

charlie used to give me bigger tests :pal:

Now that's done and dusted, back to the topic in hand.

Has Wenger made any comment on Fergie retiring? Their rivalry is arguably the biggest Fergie had and one of the best we have seen til Wenger did what he did and Fergie left him miles behind.

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Originally Posted by Cripps

Then why are you on Wengers case all the time?

Game set and match I say

Was a close one admittedly but I come away with a 6-0 6-0 6-0 win

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:haha:

Hardly ever a dull moment on here.

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Originally Posted by BoringBoringArsenal

:haha:

Hardly ever a dull moment on here.

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Except during the matches.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Except during the matches.

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I take it you've never seen BSP, Milner, Barry, Valencia and a few other usual suspects serving up endless entertainment on here then.

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Originally Posted by Cripps

Now that's done and dusted, back to the topic in hand.

Has Wenger made any comment on Fergie retiring? Their rivalry is arguably the biggest Fergie had and one of the best we have seen til Wenger did what he did and Fergie left him miles behind.

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I gather he'll make a comment tomorrow (or whenever the pre-match conference takes place)

But yeah, the rivalry was amazing to watch, the 'mind-games' that went on etc. But Fergie relaxed on them when he saw how turd we became.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

They're really priding themselves on this idea of longevity and stability. We'll see how much they're willing to stick to their guns should things go tits up.

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:lol:

Happy Moyes Day.

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Originally Posted by Cripps

Now that's done and dusted, back to the topic in hand.

Has Wenger made any comment on Fergie retiring? Their rivalry is arguably the biggest Fergie had and one of the best we have seen til Wenger did what he did and Fergie left him miles behind.

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:lol: I do miss Cripps, wish he would be allowed back!

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Originally Posted by Özim

:lol: I do miss Cripps, wish he would be allowed back!

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Same here.

Let him back! In forum fighting is crap without him.

He's been making quite a name for himself over on Goonersworld. :lol:

Racked up over 2000 posts already since joining back in February.

Said he still fancies coming home, nonetheless.

Free Cripps!

He was a great poster and a fine human being haha lol jk

Hopefully, if he's ever ever allowed back, he'll start referring to you by name this time. :lol:

Who?

You.

Oh.